List your top 30 (super) heavyweights (201+ unlimited weight) of all time

[frankenfrank]

Actually there are 2 reasons to why Foreman over Ali :
(1) Dundee fetched the ropes to be loose and Ali used it to the max.
Foreman never got a rematch.
(2) Performance against common opponents .
While Norton , Frazier and Chuvalo shortened Ali's career and health , Foreman
ended matters quick with all of them.
With Lyle it can be argued who did better : Foreman whom finished him quicker
but was knocked down twice against , or Ali whom just stopped him late.
With Young both went through distance fights , but Ali did better by not going
down and winning the (very close) decision instead of losing the decision.
But all in is very clear who was the better man against mutual opponents.
Not to mention what any version of Foreman would have done to any version
of Leon Spinks , but this is a hypothetical (altbeit clear) argument .

[StarshipTrooper]

Actually there are 2 reasons to why Foreman over Ali :
(1) Dundee fetched the ropes to be loose and Ali used it to the max.
Foreman never got a rematch.
(2) Performance against common opponents .
While Norton , Frazier and Chuvalo shortened Ali's career and health , Foreman
ended matters quick with all of them.
With Lyle it can be argued who did better : Foreman whom finished him quicker
but was knocked down twice against , or Ali whom just stopped him late.
With Young both went through distance fights , but Ali did better by not going
down and winning the (very close) decision instead of losing the decision.
But all in is very clear who was the better man against mutual opponents.
Not to mention what any version of Foreman would have done to any version
of Leon Spinks , but this is a hypothetical (altbeit clear) argument .

Shouldn't you be off violating a Valuev blow-up doll or something instead of posting on a boxing forum as displaying your ignorance? :jerk0ff9:

Poet

[SBleeder]

Lulz. Vitali isn't even the best heavyweight today.

Double Lulz at Butterbean ahead of Patterson. What a ridiculous list.

Triple Lulz at Oliver "There's now crying in boxing" McCall
Here's mine:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. George Foreman
4. Joe Frazier
5. Lennox Lewis
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Larry Holmes
8. Jack Dempsey
9. Sonny Liston
10. Jack Johnson
11. Tommy Burns
12. Mike Tyson
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Floyd Patterson
15. Wladimir Klitschko
16. James Jeffries
17. Evander Holyfield
18. Jersey Joe Walcott
18. Gene Tunney
19. John L. Sullivan
20. Vitali Klitschko

[frankenfrank]

And 2 reasons to why Vitali over Lewis :
(1) The fight was stopped due to cuts which may be caused by Lewis'
dreadlocks . Vitali never got a rematch , and he deserved it just because it
was caused by cuts , even if the cuts were caused by mere punching.
(2) Vitali was never humiliated (at least not as a pro , maybe even not as an
amateur) the way Lewis was twice.

And regarding reason #1 : yes , Puritty deserved a rematch with Vitali.
See , when Puritty met Wlad he brutally stopped him , the way a stoppage should look like. But Lewis' and Byrd's stoppages over Vitali as well as Vitali's stoppage over Puritty had nothing brutal about them , they should count much less if at all.

[frankenfrank]

Shouldn't you be off violating a Valuev blow-up doll or something instead of posting on a boxing forum as displaying your ignorance? :jerk0ff9:

Poet

See why were you ignored in the beginning ?
Can you argue something serious against my list ?
I just did not want my thread to be trolled from the beginning.
What does your post here have to do with my post you quoted ?

[StarshipTrooper]

See why were you ignored in the beginning ?
Can you argue something serious against my list ?
I just did not want my thread to be trolled from the beginning.
What does your post here have to do with my post you quoted ?

You've already proven repeatedly that you have no credibility and therefore cannot be taken seriously. So why on Earth would I make a serious reply to a poster who has proven himself to be willfully ******ed? It's much more satisfying to simply make fun of your ******ity and be done with it.

Poet

[Vadrigar.]

You've already proven repeatedly that you have no credibility and therefore cannot be taken seriously. So why on Earth would I make a serious reply to a poster who has proven himself to be willfully ******ed? It's much more satisfying to simply make fun of your ******ity and be done with it.

Poet

Well, this is his usual bull**** arguments and his way of despising Ali and nuthugging Vitali. Coupled with his weight fetish.

I suggest you don't lose anymore time with this person, because no matter how strong people's counter arguments are, they will never get him to come to his senses, as he is totally blinded by his own hatred and bias.

The more sense people speak to him, the more nonsense he will come back with.

As they say:

"Don't bring water to the vilain's mill"

[frankenfrank]

Lulz. Vitali isn't even the best heavyweight today.

Double Lulz at Butterbean ahead of Patterson. What a ridiculous list.

Triple Lulz at Oliver "There's now crying in boxing" McCall
Here's mine:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. George Foreman
4. Joe Frazier
5. Lennox Lewis
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Larry Holmes
8. Jack Dempsey
9. Sonny Liston
10. Jack Johnson
11. Tommy Burns
12. Mike Tyson
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Floyd Patterson
15. Wladimir Klitschko
16. James Jeffries
17. Evander Holyfield
18. Jersey Joe Walcott
18. Gene Tunney
19. John L. Sullivan
20. Vitali Klitschko

The thread was not named at least 30 for nothing.
You did not really give an alternative and I have not got enough time to start the lulz about your 2/3 of a list.

Vitali stopped 2 out of 3 of the fighters whom stopped his brother , the third
wanted nothing to do with him. True thing is Puritty deserved a rematch just like Vitali deserved a rematch against Lewis especially.
You could blame Vitali for they way he punched against Byrd , maybe , but cuts ? is this the thing that should satisfy the need for superiority deciding in fights ?
Butterbean would have crushed Patterson , Ellis and probably even Liston , whom was Patterson's lost daddy.

McCall cried but at least remained upright after taking bombs he did not even try to avoid ? I think Lewis being put on his back twice by fights he did try to avoid/block is much funnier. another thing to consider about it is McCall signed to fight Lewis while in a rehabilitation institution .
Very legit victory for Lewis . McCall's demolition of Lewis however occurred
while Lewis was at a top condition both mentally and physically , yet McCall never got a rubber match. The thing is , even if Lewis would have won the decision in the rubber match , McCall would have still had the better of the affair , Lewis could never avenge his humiliating defeat at the hands of McCall.

[Joeyzagz]

post your at least 30.
rank it according to how do you think they could do H2H.
a H2H list.
I hope you know what Head To Head is.

I will post my list but the weight of the fighter in question should NOT matter!


Rocky Marciano knocked 3 guys out over 220 lbs and he only weighed 187. It should be based on a fighters performance NOT his weight on the scales.

[Sugarj]

Theres just too much to wade through in your last post to me Frankenfrank:

On the subject of Mesi, failing a brain scan is not necessarily being 'shot'. Barrera & Wayne McCullough have failed scans before clearly having fights in which they were not shot. The brain is very complex, repeated punches can affect many aspects............personality, reflexes, motor skills, memory.

How you can disagree with me that the Holyfield fights with Bowe took more out of Bowe is beyond me. Bowe goes on to be battered by Golota, whereas Holyfield beats Tyson twice, KOs Moorer, goes the distance with Lewis twice, Ruiz three times.......and the rest! Dear oh dear!

Bruno wasn't a giant in the Valuev terms but he was one big chap, he made McCall look small that night! I dont disrespect McCall's punch power, he had a good right hand............but didn't land it too often in world class. Comparing the Tyson who destroyed the 38 year old Holmes with the McCall who edged a 47 year old Holmes puts McCall's power in perspective.

I'll look at the rest later after tea!

But what concerns me about alot of your recent posts Frankenfrank is that you seem to look at boxing in a computer game / or top trumps mentality. Saying things like fighter A knocked down fighter B, where fighter C has a harder punch than fighter A, does not mean fighter C would knock down fighter B also.

The more boxing films you watch the more you'll learn.

Compiling a top 30 head to head list is virtually impossible. The reason for this is because you get to a point where styles get in the way. For example you might consider that Holmes would beat Foreman, but Tyson may beat Holmes, but Foreman may in turn beat Tyson. So who would you rank highest?