Measuring CHIN! What is your criteria?

[Joeyzagz]

He simply took too many head shots and was brain damaged early, he hasn't got a weak chin, he took plenty of shots and wouldn't fall down for anyone, I do find it kind of disturbing how quickly he got brain damaged though compared to other boxers so kind of see what you mean, punches juts effect people at different paces I guess, and his last fight was in 08 which would make his age 41.

Im just saying that Ive seen guys take shots to the head way harder and more frequently than Bowe did and show little to no signs of deterioration.

[Vadrigar.]

Frazier was knocked down several times by Foreman who is regarded as the hardest punching heavyweight in history yet Frazier was clearly not "GLASSY-EYED"... every human being has a nerve in their chin which when hit cuts off the oxygen supply to the brain which then renders them unconscious or semi-unconscious depending on their physical condition and other factors, which is why Boxers cover & protect their chin at all times during the fight... some boxers have "Weak Chins" others have "Granite Chins" fighters like Chuvalo, Hagler, McCall, LaMotta have Granite Chins.... fighters like Audley Harrison, Lennox Lewis, Ricky Hatton have Weak Chins so get called `China-Chin` by followers of the sport because when they get hit on the chin they go down and are "GLASSY-EYED" and are unconscious or semi-unconscious regardless of wether they regain their feet or not they are in no condition to continue due to the "GLASSY-EYED" condition which they are in... Whereas Joe Frazier was sent to the canvas 6 times by Foreman yet got to his feet "ready to go" each and every time, he was never "Glassy-eyed" so it is feasible to assume that Frazier has a very tough strong chin because it can never be replicated until we see a puncher of the calibre of George Foreman in the heavyweight division in the future... whereas Audley Harrison & Lennox Lewis was both poleaxed by mediocre journeymen and those journeymen never before or after during their entire career was able to poleaxe anyother of their opponents in the way that Harrison & Lewis went down and the condition (GLASSY-EYED) which they was in when hit on the chin, so its safe to say that they are "Weak-Chinned"

Great post you forgot to mention Ali!

[NChristo]

Im just saying that Ive seen guys take shots to the head way harder and more frequently than Bowe did and show little to no signs of deterioration.

Yeah I know :P, that's why I said head shots effect people differently.
Great example in comparison would be Chuvalo who took an enormous amount of power shots to the chin and it never phased him, now he's healthy / mentally fine and can speak perfect, where as Bowe was having trouble speaking after facing people who were hardly the punchers that Chuvalo faced.

[prinzemanspopa]

Not getting put down six times in two rounds is a start.

Also,don't ever put Ali in the same chin category as frazier.It's a great insult to do so.

A classic example of this is shane mosley and Antonio margarito. If your mind is not in the right place than you chin won't be either.

I do hope you're not suggesting that Margarito didn't shown a chin in that Mosley fight.If so,that's about as bad an example as you can give

[Obama]

Not getting put down six times in two rounds is a start.

Also,don't ever put Ali in the same chin category as frazier.It's a great insult to do so.







I do hope you're not suggesting that Margarito didn't shown a chin in that Mosley fight.If so,that's about as bad an example as you can give

Would have to agree here....

[Vadrigar.]

Not getting put down six times in two rounds is a start.

Also,don't ever put Ali in the same chin category as frazier.It's a great insult to do so.







I do hope you're not suggesting that Margarito didn't shown a chin in that Mosley fight.If so,that's about as bad an example as you can give

Yes I know it's a bad example. What would be a better example?

[Joeyzagz]

Frazier was knocked down several times by Foreman who is regarded as the hardest punching heavyweight in history yet Frazier was clearly not "GLASSY-EYED"... every human being has a nerve in their chin which when hit cuts off the oxygen supply to the brain which then renders them unconscious or semi-unconscious depending on their physical condition and other factors, which is why Boxers cover & protect their chin at all times during the fight... some boxers have "Weak Chins" others have "Granite Chins" fighters like Chuvalo, Hagler, McCall, LaMotta have Granite Chins.... fighters like Audley Harrison, Lennox Lewis, Ricky Hatton have Weak Chins so get called `China-Chin` by followers of the sport because when they get hit on the chin they go down and are "GLASSY-EYED" and are unconscious or semi-unconscious regardless of wether they regain their feet or not they are in no condition to continue due to the "GLASSY-EYED" condition which they are in... Whereas Joe Frazier was sent to the canvas 6 times by Foreman yet got to his feet "ready to go" each and every time, he was never "Glassy-eyed" so it is feasible to assume that Frazier has a very tough strong chin because it can never be replicated until we see a puncher of the calibre of George Foreman in the heavyweight division in the future... whereas Audley Harrison & Lennox Lewis was both poleaxed by mediocre journeymen and those journeymen never before or after during their entire career was able to poleaxe anyother of their opponents in the way that Harrison & Lewis went down and the condition (GLASSY-EYED) which they was in when hit on the chin, so its safe to say that they are "Weak-Chinned"

Do you believe in the Cracked-chin theory? I think that applies to Ricky Hatton seeing how his chin was quite good before the Mayweather fight. I dont see him getting KO'd if he remained at 140 and Maintained his weight.

I put more stock in a fighter with a low # of KDs rather than one who's getting up a lot. Lennox stayed on his feet taking punches from Vitali, Briggs, Mercer and David Tua. Those 4 guys had some of the best KO%s of the 1990's and LL never hit canvas.

LL was KD'd only twice in 44 bouts which is much lower than other ATGs. Both instances he didnt see the punch coming, if LL sees it he will remain upright. I find it hard to believe that Frazier couldn't see every single punch that knocked him down...

[sonnyboyx2]

Do you believe in the Cracked-chin theory? I think that applies to Ricky Hatton seeing how his chin was quite good before the Mayweather fight. I dont see him getting KO'd if he remained at 140 and Maintained his weight.

I put more stock in a fighter with a low # of KDs rather than one who's getting up a lot. Lennox stayed on his feet taking punches from Vitali, Briggs, Mercer and David Tua. Those 4 guys had some of the best KO%s of the 1990's and LL never hit canvas.

LL was KD'd only twice in 44 bouts which is much lower than other ATGs. Both instances he didnt see the punch coming, if LL sees it he will remain upright. I find it hard to believe that Frazier couldn't see every single punch that knocked him down...

Both instances he didnt see the punch coming,?

you must be watching different fights to everyone else, are you claiming that Lewis was punched in the back of the head when McCall & Rahman poleaxed him?

Live with it`... you make-up these ridiculous excuses for Lewis yet you was not at either fights, to claim that he never seen both punches coming is making you out to be a `laughing-stock` at least come up with something other than a ****** comment like that... Lewis backed McCall onto the ropes and loaded up with a big over-hand right while standing right in front of McCall square-on, McCall countered with a perfect right-hand which hit Lewis on the chin and he went down like a bag of potatoes... Rahman walked Lewis into a corner with Lewis grinning at him, Lewis stood and watched as Rahman loaded up with a right-hand that hit him on the chin and Lewis went down `spread-eagled` on the canvas... yet you claim he never seen either punch.. your nuthugging gets ******er by the post.

David Tua barely landed a punch on Lennox Lewis, Tua was too fat to move and was knackered after 3rds so just plodded after Lewis in a snoozer.

Briggs clipped Lewis in the opening round and had him staggering around the ring yet Briggs is `garbage`

i would not call Mercer a murderous puncher in the league of George Foreman.. i am 100% certain that if Joe Frazier was to be hit on the chin by Vitali, Briggs, Mercer & Tua the punches would have no affect on him whatsoever.

Ricky Hatton only ever fought two fighters in his whole career who was above Class C and they both put him too sleep,

[sonnyboyx2]

Do you believe in the Cracked-chin theory?

i have never heard of it so i googled it and google has never heard of it so i can only put it down to being another one of your idiotic phrases you have concocted up to defend your idol.... you need to get a life a friend because i seem to laugh more at your posts than i do at the Harry Hill Show.

[Joeyzagz]

Both instances he didnt see the punch coming,?

you must be watching different fights to everyone else, are you claiming that Lewis was punched in the back of the head when McCall & Rahman poleaxed him?

Lennox is clearly looking away from Rahman(very ****** of him, yes) and it appears he may have his eyes closed as well . It appears he was expecting a jab and not a right, regardless he was clowning that entire round and got what he deserved.

Shannon Briggs may be a crap boxer but he has good power and the same KO ratio as Tyson. David Tua landed the left hook on Lennox a couple of times, and Lennox took it well. TUA, BRIGGS, and MERCER all have higher KO%'s and hit harder than Mccall. Its silly to use the journeymen argument against Lennox when you know he has survived harder punchers and better fighters.

An eerie trivia about Rahman and Mccall is that they are both 6'2 with an 82 reach. There is something about those measurements that throws Lennox off, but he was able to overcome both in rematches so it really isn't a big deal.