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  • duran's loss to benitez...

    duran was shot and way past it?

    duran was out of shape?

    duran was unmotivated?

    or benitez was just a bad style match-up who will outclass him everytime they fight?

    your take historians?

  • #2
    That was the time where Duran started becoming a hot and cold fighter, he could show up in magnificent form or he could show up really off form, I thought that loss was partly because he was off form and partly because it was a bad styles matchup for him, Benitez' style would have always given him trouble.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Silencers View Post
      That was the time where Duran started becoming a hot and cold fighter, he could show up in magnificent form or he could show up really off form, I thought that loss was partly because he was off form and partly because it was a bad styles matchup for him, Benitez' style would have always given him trouble.
      +1

      It is said Duran was weight drained for that fight.He was on weight(152) for the whole week of the fight which was pretty uncommon for him.

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      • #4
        Just curious,did you get the first three excuses from the Duran autobiography entitled "101 ways to make an excuse for losing"?

        The thing is,it's not really a joke anymore.It's actually rather worrying that the Duran apologists can't accept the fact that their hero is a human being and not as good as they think he was.


        Duran lost to benitez because he was in there with a superior boxer.

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        • #5
          It was probably a case where he was in with a superior boxer, who he probably underestimated.Benitez, when on point, was a damn good fighter who was hard to beat, and Duran found that out.

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          • #6
            Benitez was a bad style match up for Duran and he was also the bigger man, who knew to use his advantages of height and reach. Duran looked really bad in that fight, he nearly lost every round.

            I think Benitez has the best style to beat Duran. He had crisp in his punches and in that time Benitez was a very good Boxer,good Puncher with a unbelievable feeling and instinct where punches came from.

            The only chance to beat a guy like Benitez for Duran, was to be the physical stronger boxer and to overwhelm him. Duran didn't found a way to adapt to Benitez style and he was really frustated. A guy like Benitez for Duran was only beatable in the lightweight division, but even such a fight would be close imo.

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            • #7
              154 wasn't Duran's best weight but it was arguably for Benitez. I don't have any problem rating Benitez over Duran at light middleweight. I feel it would have been a more competitive fight at 147, where both fought Leonard & Palomino, and especially at 135-140 between a prime Duran and a young Benitez. Duran had looked mediocre in his two previous fights against Luigi Minchillo and Nino Gonzalez and especially against Kirkland Laing in his next fight. I think his career was simply in a slump after the Leonard loss. Benitez was at his brilliant best and handled Duran relatively easily.

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              • #8
                How exactly can you argue that it was Benitez best weight when the man was undefeated at 140? At 154 he gets destroyed by a ruined Davey Moore. And yes I do realize Benitez lost all mobility after getting dropped in the first round. Had no business getting dropped by a ruined Moore anyways.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Obama View Post
                  How exactly can you argue that it was Benitez best weight when the man was undefeated at 140? At 154 he gets destroyed by a ruined Davey Moore. And yes I do realize Benitez lost all mobility after getting dropped in the first round. Had no business getting dropped by a ruined Moore anyways.
                  Based on what I've seen. His 154 statistics may not look as good because of what he became post-Hearns, but only after an idiotic move up to 160 against Hamsho, who was too strong for Benitez. Against Duran and Hope, Benitez looks about the best I've ever seen him. Benitez performed brilliantly against Cervantes at just 17 years of age, but he was still immature, rarely trained and was nearly KO'd by Bruce Curry due to his over-confidence.

                  All in all I thought he was the most focused he had ever been in the early 1980's.

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                  • #10
                    Funny how that works. He looked great in those fights, but that's not how fighters get rated when they move up in weight. Based on the William Joppy fight Trinidad looked like he was a great Middleweight. Caused him to go into the hopkins fight as a 4-1 favorite. Then of course Hopkins destroys him and he becomes labeled "an over blown WW" while Hopkins is labeled a "midget beater". Sadly this never happened to Hagler when he did the same damn thing...so, so, so sad. Clear bias for certain fighters impacting people's common sense.

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