Let's Be Real, Floyd Mayweather Would've Beaten Sugar Ray Robinson If They Fought

[Canelo Phresh]

I don't know.....Revenge of the Sith was a damn good movie. Then again I don't watch movies for the special effects :hah9:

Poet

you play????

[StarshipTrooper]

you play????

Depends on what you mean by "play" :hah9: I used to be an active chess player but I don't think that's what you meant :chuckle9: I don't play any on-line games.

Poet

[studentofthegam]

The truth is, the vast majority of the fighters being touted as "great" today won't even be remembered 10 years from now. That happens in EVERY generation. Hindsight removes the missgiven tag of greatness from the detritus that inevitably gets over-hyped simply because they're active NOW.

Poet

Pacquiao and Floyd wont be forgotten in ten or even 20. Maybe Martinez or even Mosley will lose their luster after a while. There are always greats that get forgotten too. Holyfield is left off lists many many times. Morales and Barrera are great fighters that have already been written off by the new generation.

The size difference between the two is too much for Floyd. At 135 I could imagine Floyd giving some of the ATG LW's some issues but not the ATG WW's.

Their near the same size welters if Floyd doesnt have the edge.

[studentofthegam]

Funny, even while watching today's fights as they happen how do I know there isn't any Don King "funny business" going on? :jerk0ff9:

Poet

Its true of this era as well. But we can actually see it for ourselves. Does that dawn on you as a difference. The fixes King put on werent racially mtivated to keep a whole group of people hopeless. Its motivated strictly by the fattening of his pockets. Doesnt make it right but it is a lesser crime IMO. "Or maybe I'm just an angry black dude holding on to the past that wasnt that bad".

[StarshipTrooper]

Pacquiao and Floyd wont be forgotten in ten or even 20. Maybe Martinez or even Mosley will lose their luster after a while. There are always greats that get forgotten too. Holyfield is left off lists many many times. Morales and Barrera are great fighters that have already been written off by the new generation.

It wasn't Manny and Floyd I was referring to. Holyfield's being left off lists has more to do with suspected PED use than anything else: If it wasn't for the "Evan Fields" scandal no one of any repute would be leaving him off (for the record he makes mine, #7 all-time at Heavyweight). Morales and Barrera are being written off by idiots: I know of no reputable poster on Boxing Scene that writes them off.

Poet

[Steak]

I never predict a fight unless I have seen the fighter in action.

however, we HAVE seen who he beat, ie Tunney and Loughran. I dont know about you, but I respect Tunney and his skills. If Greb can beat him even with a size disadvantage, I think its fair to say that he would beat Carlos Baldomir....

on the other hand, I would never feel comfortable saying that Greb would beat ATGs like Hagler, Monzon, Hopkins, etc without seeing him fight.

[StarshipTrooper]

Its true of this era as well. But we can actually see it for ourselves. Does that dawn on you as a difference. The fixes King put on werent racially mtivated to keep a whole group of people hopeless. Its motivated strictly by the fattening of his pockets. Doesnt make it right but it is a lesser crime IMO. "Or maybe I'm just an angry black dude holding on to the past that wasnt that bad".

The motivation is irrelivant from a BOXING standpoint.....which is what we're talking about here. Both call into question the integrity of the sport.

Socially, yes there's a difference but that's for another forum.....

Poet

[studentofthegam]

It wasn't Manny and Floyd I was referring to. Holyfield's being left off lists has more to do with suspected PED use than anything else: If it wasn't for the "Evan Fields" scandal no one of any repute would be leaving him off (for the record he makes mine, #7 all-time at Heavyweight). Morales and Barrera are being written off by idiots: I know of no reputable poster on Boxing Scene that writes them off.

Poet

I dont know what your list consists of totally. Personally Ive never made a steadfast list for any category or weight class. What fighters do you speak of when you say that fighters are being mislabeled as great?

[Canelo Phresh]

Depends on what you mean by "play" :hah9: I used to be an active chess player but I don't think that's what you meant :chuckle9: I don't play any on-line games.

Poet

mass effect? the game that matters... lmao

[studentofthegam]

I never predict a fight unless I have seen the fighter in action.

however, we HAVE seen who he beat, ie Tunney and Loughran. I dont know about you, but I respect Tunney and his skills. If Greb can beat him even with a size disadvantage, I think its fair to say that he would beat Carlos Baldomir....

on the other hand, I would never feel comfortable saying that Greb would beat ATGs like Hagler, Monzon, Hopkins, etc without seeing him fight.

Fair enough. From what Ive seen I dont feel comfortable saying even Jack Johnson could beat the HW's today. The technique is so different and more effective. So I'm not picking on Greb or anything.