How Great Is Lennox Lewis's Resume?

[beez721]

I see you ranked Jack Dempsey as a top 3 Heavyweight on the thread below this one. I have 3 questions...

1. How can you accuse Lennox of ducking anyone, when Dempsey ducked an entire race of people?

2. Dempsey lost to a guy named Fireman in one round. I dont see how Lennox slipping to Mccall who still has never been knocked down is worse than what happened to Dempsey. Explain?

3. Dempsey never beat the ATG on his resume.' Tunney and Jack were near the same age. We dont know if he could ever beat Tunney, we can speculate about the long count, but thats all we can do. Whats your excuse for Jack not beating any prime ATG's?

We know for a FACT that Lennox beats everyone on his resume', because he actually did it! He beat the blacks, He beat the whites, he beat stronger fighters, bigger fighters, younger fighters, future champs, ATG figters, he beat every single name on there including the dominant guy of the next era.

Why is he not worthy of being top 10?

jesus dude,,,,get your head out of lewis;s arse will ya

[sonnyboyx2]

Why not? His told lies in the past:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rid****_Bowe

Bowes no 1 mandatory is refusing to come to an agreement with him, so the WBC strips Bowe instead of dropping Lewis from the rankings. Does that story make sense to you? Why dont you list the number of other champs who were stripped because thier mandatorys refused to accept their purse offers? Its nonsense
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/28/sp...l?pagewanted=1

Of course he is, his career should of been much better than it was, even Futch had enough of Bowe and Newman which is why he walked


http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/wbc10-7.htm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rid****_Bowe
this guy is really a good source right?

That is the exact same reason why Tyson vacated his WBC bekt rather than face Lewis

Chris Byrd against the big hw's:
Wladimir Klitschko loss tko 7
Wladimir Klitschko ud loss
Ike Ibeabuchi loss tko 5
Vitali Klitschko win 9 (vitali who was leading on all the score cards quit due to an injured shoulder)
And this guy is a serious threat to Lewis? The dude got koed by a lhw for crying out loud
John Ruiz against the little guys:
Roy Jones Jr(mw) loss ud 12
James Toney (mw) loss ud 12 (later changed to nc), Ruiz refused to give him a rematch
David Haye(cw) loss tko 9
He cant even beat mw's and cw's but he is going to beat Lewis, lol
He fought Vitali instead of Byrd and Grant (who was his wbc mandatory) instead of Byrd

yes I have, its all here:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=369090

Maybe because Bowe is a brain damaged, wife beater and kidnapper thats why. Maybe because Bowes career turned out to be a big dissapointment thats why.

Grant was his no 1 mandatory for his WBC belt it was also the fight which HBO wanted as well. He fought Vitali instead of Byrd and you are still hating on him, lol

lmao
Amir Khan: Bradley, Maidana, Alexander
Hopkins: Toney (2003), Jones (2002), Calzaghe (2003), Ademek, Dawson
Dempsey: All black fighters
Willard: All black fighters
Johnson: after he became hw champ, all black fighters

Those links you put up dont prove nothing other than tell the career of Rid**** Bowe and his domestic disputes with his wife, they dont claim Bowe is some kind of compulsive liar like what you are trying to claim... you then try to belittle the achievements of John Ruiz & Chris Byrd in order to try to justify the actions of Lennox Lewis and claiming he fought Vitali instead of Byrd which is bull****, Vitali came in at 12 days notice after Lewis original opponent Kirk Johnson pulled out... so telling lies like that has blown your credibility you can no longer be taken seriously and anything you say taken with a pinch of salt, your claiming Bowe is a `brain-damaged and suffering Liar-Paradox syndrome`which is totally bazaar, you dont know Rid**** Bowe, you have never seen the guy in your life so how would you know the guys current medical history... you have tried everything in your power to back-up this nuthugging idolization you have of Lennox Lewis yet the truth is that "Only You believes what you spew-out" you are angry because i tell it like it was and how it really happened and that spoils your little daydream....

i am waiting for you to put up the topic Lewis vs Dempsey.. so i can destroy you completely

[mickey malone]

How great is Lennox Lewis resume of wins?

I've seen on here that he avoided black contenders?.. No, that was Jack Dempsey i'm afraid..

-Ossie Ocasio - Black
-Gary Mason - Black
-Glenn McCrory - White
-Tyrell Biggs - Black
-Donovan Ruddock - Black
-Tony Tucker - Black
-Frank Bruno - Black
-Tommy Morrison - White
-Ray Mercer - Black
-Oliver McCall - Black
-Henry Akinwande - Black
-Andrew Golota - White
-Shannon Briggs - Black
-Zeljko Mavrovic - White
-Evander Holyfield - Black
-Michael Grant - Black
-Francois Botha - White
-David Tua - White (ish)
-Hasim Rahman - Black
-Mike Tyson - Black
-Vitali Klitschko - White

Black = 14 White = 7

Not exactly the Black & White Minstral Show, is it?

NO Czyz, Bugner, Welch, McNeeley, Coetzer, Damiani, Sanders, Zolkin or Wimpey Halstead! .. Where the ***'s Baby Joe Messi ? FFs lol
A terrible waste when you consider he could have added the Pan-American inter-continental and Pan-Asian Pacific titles too.

Also, why does Wikipedia say it was Bowe who damaged his career by chucking the WBC belt in the bin?.. Sure he did, because Jose Sulaiman and Don King were preparing to cash in on him.. It was those two he ducked, not Lewis.. Lewis just got caught up in the middle of it, what could he do??? He was the contender and Bowe was the champion.. Irrespective of who was being offered what, everything was gonna be subsequent to massive deductions as soon as King moved the posts, and that's why the belt went in the bin.. How can it be an insult to Lewis?.. It gifted him with an easier fight against Tucker who was nominated by the WBC, not Lewis.. I believe the insult was specifically aimed at the WBC, ie; Sulaiman and King, but Bowe couldn't come out with it because King would have sued his ass. So he had a dig at Lewis instead, hoping it would provoke Lewis into fighting him somewhere down the line.. It's kinda funny how he kept the other 2 belts, knowing full well he could get the same money for doing demolision jobs on Dokes and Ferguson..
The 'somewhere down the line' did happen aswell.. In 95, and by then, he'd lost and won against Holyfield and called Lewis out again.. Granted, Lewis ignored him as he was too busy trying to get his old WBC belt back from Oliver McCall.. In order to do this he had to start at the bottom again, so he got back in the queue honourably by fighting Lionel Butler, Justin Fortune, Tommy Morrison and Ray Mercer in that order.. All this, just to get a shot back at McCall.. As a challenger, he was not in a position to pick & chose his opponents.. Butler was an official eliminater forced upon him by the WBC, and Fortune who was only noted for his physical strength was used as a work out to be prepared for power houses Morrison and Mercer, who as fellow contenders could not be avoided..
So there you go, Lewis's priorities had changed and he regarded revenge over McCall as well as the return of his old WBC belt as far more important than facing Bowe for the WBO strap, which i believe he held at the time..

A bit of tit for tat if you ask me, for putting his old belt in the bin maybe, but Lewis wasn't going to risk upsetting the WBC by taking a fight with a man who chucked their ultimate status symbol in a trash can, was he?..
Whatever way you look at it, that's what happened isn't it?.. It was Bowe's feud with that particular sanctioning body (the WBC) that in my opinion was mostly to blame for this fight never happening.. Lewis on the other hand, was Sulaiman's Queen of Bitches and always remained loyal to the WBC.. That's why they allowed him the special privalige of basking in glory for a year after beating Vitaly.. It was a special thankyou, a golden handshake if you like, for being their most faithful and co-operative champion of all time.. Just the way it worked out, that's all!
If Bowe had only handed the belt back politely, then none of this would have happened.

Call me an idiot, but I was always lead to beliveve that being a 3 time heavyweight champion is a sign of being great, maybe i'm wrong, but i doubt it..

[mickey malone]

Those links you put up dont prove nothing other than tell the career of Rid**** Bowe and his domestic disputes with his wife, they dont claim Bowe is some kind of compulsive liar like what you are trying to claim... you then try to belittle the achievements of John Ruiz & Chris Byrd in order to try to justify the actions of Lennox Lewis and claiming he fought Vitali instead of Byrd which is bull****, Vitali came in at 12 days notice after Lewis original opponent Kirk Johnson pulled out... so telling lies like that has blown your credibility you can no longer be taken seriously and anything you say taken with a pinch of salt, your claiming Bowe is a `brain-damaged and suffering Liar-Paradox syndrome`which is totally bazaar, you dont know Rid**** Bowe, you have never seen the guy in your life so how would you know the guys current medical history... you have tried everything in your power to back-up this nuthugging idolization you have of Lennox Lewis yet the truth is that "Only You believes what you spew-out" you are angry because i tell it like it was and how it really happened and that spoils your little daydream....

i am waiting for you to put up the topic Lewis vs Dempsey.. so i can destroy you completely

Sonny, in order to make the fight possible, Lewis would need to spend some condiderable time marinating in peroxide.. If you think Lewis had an easy resume, then take away all the black guys and you've got 7 white fella's which = the sum total of Dempsey's title defenses, which also took him an incredible 7 years to accomplish!
Can you honestly imagine how frustrating it was to be a boxing fan during those years?
There's you're MW champion, Harry Greb fighting all creeds and colours every other week, while the HW champion remains as a barely active cherry picker who only fought once a year.. It makes me laugh when people say that Dempsey didn't have a choice
His toughest test as champion was Gene Tunney, and Jack lost 19 out of 20 rounds to him..

[General Zod]

Those links you put up dont prove nothing other than tell the career of Rid**** Bowe and his domestic disputes with his wife, they dont claim Bowe is some kind of compulsive liar like what you are trying to claim...

Bowe's defense was that he had brain damage, which he way he got a lenient sentence, he now claims he doesn't have brain damage so he can continue fighting.

you then try to belittle the achievements of John Ruiz & Chris Byrd in order to try to justify the actions of Lennox Lewis and claiming he fought Vitali instead of Byrd which is bull****, Vitali came in at 12 days notice after Lewis original opponent Kirk Johnson pulled out

Everyone knows that, think about it, his terrified of Byrd but he fights Vitali at 2 weeks notice. Does that look like the actions of a coward to you?

... so telling lies like that has blown your credibility you can no longer be taken seriously and anything you say taken with a pinch of salt,

you hold Lewis up to standards you refuse to apply to other fighters
Use Triangular theory when it suits you
Twist the truth
Refuse to accept information contrary to your claims

And you are going to take everything I say with a pinch of salt, lol

your claiming Bowe is a `brain-damaged and suffering Liar-Paradox syndrome`which is totally bazaar, you dont know Rid**** Bowe, you have never seen the guy in your life so how would you know the guys current medical history...

lmao
I need to know him to know his medical history? Ive never met Ali, so does that mean I cant know his medical condition either. Dude you are arguing like a 12 year old child
After the Golota II fight, was his speech badly slurred?
In that You tube vid you love to post is his speech badly slurred?
Wasn't his defense that he was badly brain damaged which is why he got a lenient sentence?
I also like the way you ignored my link on Bowe pulling out of a fight with Ruddock, lol

you have tried everything in your power to back-up this nuthugging idolization you have of Lennox Lewis yet the truth is that "Only You believes what you spew-out" you are angry because i tell it like it was and how it really happened and that spoils your little daydream....

lmao
sarcasm mode: on
I have to admit it really bothers me that someone on the other side of the world doesn't like the same fighters as me
sarcasm mode: off

i am waiting for you to put up the topic Lewis vs Dempsey.. so i can destroy you completely

Dude, these debates we have are so one sided I could end up getting banned for e-bullying

[General Zod]

i am waiting for you to put up the topic Lewis vs Dempsey.. so i can destroy you completely

Why dont you start the thread yourself?

[sonnyboyx2]

How great is Lennox Lewis resume of wins?

I've seen on here that he avoided black contenders?.. No, that was Jack Dempsey i'm afraid..

-Ossie Ocasio - Black
-Gary Mason - Black
-Glenn McCrory - White
-Tyrell Biggs - Black
-Donovan Ruddock - Black
-Tony Tucker - Black
-Frank Bruno - Black
-Tommy Morrison - White
-Ray Mercer - Black
-Oliver McCall - Black
-Henry Akinwande - Black
-Andrew Golota - White
-Shannon Briggs - Black
-Zeljko Mavrovic - White
-Evander Holyfield - Black
-Michael Grant - Black
-Francois Botha - White
-David Tua - White (ish)
-Hasim Rahman - Black
-Mike Tyson - Black
-Vitali Klitschko - White

Black = 14 White = 7

Not exactly the Black & White Minstral Show, is it?

NO Czyz, Bugner, Welch, McNeeley, Coetzer, Damiani, Sanders, Zolkin or Wimpey Halstead! .. Where the ***'s Baby Joe Messi ? FFs lol
A terrible waste when you consider he could have added the Pan-American inter-continental and Pan-Asian Pacific titles too.

Also, why does Wikipedia say it was Bowe who damaged his career by chucking the WBC belt in the bin?.. Sure he did, because Jose Sulaiman and Don King were preparing to cash in on him.. It was those two he ducked, not Lewis.. Lewis just got caught up in the middle of it, what could he do??? He was the contender and Bowe was the champion.. Irrespective of who was being offered what, everything was gonna be subsequent to massive deductions as soon as King moved the posts, and that's why the belt went in the bin.. How can it be an insult to Lewis?.. It gifted him with an easier fight against Tucker who was nominated by the WBC, not Lewis.. I believe the insult was specifically aimed at the WBC, ie; Sulaiman and King, but Bowe couldn't come out with it because King would have sued his ass. So he had a dig at Lewis instead, hoping it would provoke Lewis into fighting him somewhere down the line.. It's kinda funny how he kept the other 2 belts, knowing full well he could get the same money for doing demolision jobs on Dokes and Ferguson..
The 'somewhere down the line' did happen aswell.. In 95, and by then, he'd lost and won against Holyfield and called Lewis out again.. Granted, Lewis ignored him as he was too busy trying to get his old WBC belt back from Oliver McCall.. In order to do this he had to start at the bottom again, so he got back in the queue honourably by fighting Lionel Butler, Justin Fortune, Tommy Morrison and Ray Mercer in that order.. All this, just to get a shot back at McCall.. As a challenger, he was not in a position to pick & chose his opponents.. Butler was an official eliminater forced upon him by the WBC, and Fortune who was only noted for his physical strength was used as a work out to be prepared for power houses Morrison and Mercer, who as fellow contenders could not be avoided..
So there you go, Lewis's priorities had changed and he regarded revenge over McCall as well as the return of his old WBC belt as far more important than facing Bowe for the WBO strap, which i believe he held at the time..

A bit of tit for tat if you ask me, for putting his old belt in the bin maybe, but Lewis wasn't going to risk upsetting the WBC by taking a fight with a man who chucked their ultimate status symbol in a trash can, was he?..
Whatever way you look at it, that's what happened isn't it?.. It was Bowe's feud with that particular sanctioning body (the WBC) that in my opinion was mostly to blame for this fight never happening.. Lewis on the other hand, was Sulaiman's Queen of Bitches and always remained loyal to the WBC.. That's why they allowed him the special privalige of basking in glory for a year after beating Vitaly.. It was a special thankyou, a golden handshake if you like, for being their most faithful and co-operative champion of all time.. Just the way it worked out, that's all!
If Bowe had only handed the belt back politely, then none of this would have happened.

Call me an idiot, but I was always lead to beliveve that being a 3 time heavyweight champion is a sign of being great, maybe i'm wrong, but i doubt it..

you have forgot to add most of the white skinned guys Lewis fought which was like 11 of his first 14 fights...

i agree with what you are saying micky, you are around 95% correct... i fully agree with what Rid**** Bowe says in that youtube video that Lewis deliberately priced himself out of fighting him, Bowe would have got $6 million for a Lewis fight and $30 million for a rematch with Holyfield.

Lewis was never interested in being the best, or he would have fought the best, Lewis was only interested like you say in having the WBC title and fighting bums, he could easily have fought Bowe in 93 or 95 he could easily have fought Tyson in 96 but he simply never fancied the job..

Name for me the fighters other than Gary Mason who Lewis fought when they was at "The Top of their Game"?

Joe Mesi -- Lewis tried his best to get a fight with Mesi

[Joeyzagz]

Jack Dempsey was not responsible for drawing up the `color line` it was a sign of the times.

The fans wanted Dempsey to fight black contenders, it was Dempsey's Managers , scared bureauc**** and the politics of boxing that kept it from happening.

The fans also wanted Lewis/Bowe, it was politics and the managers who scuffed that up as well.

The difference in these two situations is that Dempsey is still missing an entire race of people on his resume' and Lennox is only missing a single belt holder. A belt holder who soon became belt tosser to avoid fighting Lennox.

Lennox Lewis often chose to fight `white`fighters and avoid all the top USA black fighters, he fought more white skinned fighters than he did blacks

6 white guys in 30 fights is a majority? I have no idea who Lennox fought before Mason but your statement is false regardless.

Michael Grant was the top USA fighter before Lennox destroyed his soul. The problem is that once Lennox beats these guys, they arent considered Top or prime anymore. Golota was touted as a relentless beast for hurting Bowe twice but when Lennox destroys him in 1 round, Golota becomes a punchline.

[sonnyboyx2]

Bowe's defense was that he had brain damage, which he way he got a lenient sentence, he now claims he doesn't have brain damage so he can continue fighting.

Everyone knows that, think about it, his terrified of Byrd but he fights Vitali at 2 weeks notice. Does that look like the actions of a coward to you?

you hold Lewis up to standards you refuse to apply to other fighters
Use Triangular theory when it suits you
Twist the truth
Refuse to accept information contrary to your claims

And you are going to take everything I say with a pinch of salt, lol

lmao
I need to know him to know his medical history? Ive never met Ali, so does that mean I cant know his medical condition either. Dude you are arguing like a 12 year old child
After the Golota II fight, was his speech badly slurred?
In that You tube vid you love to post is his speech badly slurred?
Wasn't his defense that he was badly brain damaged which is why he got a lenient sentence?
I also like the way you ignored my link on Bowe pulling out of a fight with Ruddock, lol

lmao
sarcasm mode: on
I have to admit it really bothers me that someone on the other side of the world doesn't like the same fighters as me
sarcasm mode: off

Dude, these debates we have are so one sided I could end up getting banned for e-bullying

against, just a character assassination of Bowe and not a single shed of evidence that he was telling lies in that youtube video... Ali, Leon Spinks, Bobby Chacon, Jerry Quarry all suffered or suffer from Pugilistic dementia yet do they just sit and tells lies whenever interviewed ?

Rid**** Bowe in that interview destroyed your only claim to fame that Lewis has, because you know just like all other fans know that Lewis win over Tyson is flawed because Tyson was a decade and more past his best, you know like i know that Holyfield was past it and that he was robbed in his 2nd fight with Lewis, so the only other great fighter left from the 1990s is Rid**** Bowe so you repeatedly used Bowes argument with the WBC and twisted it around to claim Bowe was afraid of Lewis while ignoring all the huge paydays and title fights Lewis was offered by Bowe & Tyson which he turned down.

come back when you know something about the sport of boxing

[General Zod]

against, just a character assassination of Bowe and not a single shed of evidence that he was telling lies in that youtube video...

The first fight offer:
Rock Newman initial offer to Lewis was a 90/10 split
It was Maloney who offered Bowe a 75/25 split in Bowes favour, which Newman rejected.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=6794,6164845
Dude let it go

Ali, Leon Spinks, Bobby Chacon, Jerry Quarry all suffered or suffer from Pugilistic dementia yet do they just sit and tells lies whenever interviewed ?

Misdirection
None of the above guys claimed to be brain damaged to get a lenient sentence then changed their mind when they were declared bankrupt
For your information:
Ali tells lies about his feud with Joe frazier and his falling out wtith Malcom X

Rid**** Bowe in that interview destroyed your only claim to fame that Lewis has,

Read the above newspaper link, which was given when the fight was originally talked about
http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=6794,6164845

because you know just like all other fans know that Lewis win over Tyson is flawed because Tyson was a decade and more past his best,

Mike Tyson? No one claims that is a great win for Lewis

you know like i know that Holyfield was past it and that he was robbed in his 2nd fight with Lewis,

Dude let it go already

so the only other great fighter left from the 1990s is Rid**** Bowe so you repeatedly used Bowes argument with the WBC and twisted it around to claim Bowe was afraid of Lewis while ignoring all the huge paydays and title fights Lewis was offered by Bowe

its all covered here I cant be bothered to type this stuff up again
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=369090

& Tyson which he turned down.

Let me guess this straight, Lewis ducked Tysion so Tyson was stripped of his belt, lol. You do not give 3m to a person who doesnt want to fight you. That link you like to post about Lewis Tyson proves my point not yours.

come back when you know something about the sport of boxing

lmao
You hate Lewis, yet you always feel the need to troll in Lewis threads.Why is that? Im going to have to make a thread about you and your Lewis hate i bet the poll results will be interesting