everyone talks about srl 4 great wins

[SpecialOne]

i know about duran but could some one educate me about

wilfred benitez
hearns
hagler

and their solid careers??

especially benitez and hearns

education please

[r.burgundy]

i know about duran but could some one educate me about

wilfred benitez
hearns
hagler

and their solid careers??

especially benitez and hearns

education please

i was never a benitez fan,but hearns would be similar to beating trinidad and hagler would be similar to beating hopkins if that helps.hearns is argubaly the biggest puncher in welter history and hagler was just a mean strong mofo had been on the longest title reign in mw history

[bklynboy]

i was never a benitez fan,but hearns would be similar to beating trinidad and hagler would be similar to beating hopkins if that helps.hearns is argubaly the biggest puncher in welter history and hagler was just a mean strong mofo had been on the longest title reign in mw history

Benitez was the undefeated Lightweight Champ of the world (something like 35-0). True he wasn't great as a middleweight.

EDIT: meant Welterweight Champ

[TheGreatA]

Benitez was a boxing "prodigy" of sorts, he was already a world class professional at age 16-17. He won the light welterweight title from long-reigning champion and hall of famer Antonio Cervantes in one of his great performances (Benitez was only 17) and defended the title a couple of times until growing out of the weight class. It could be said that Benitez sometimes lacked focus, especially in the early part of his career, trading punches when he didn't need to, and was somewhat immature and over-confident, relying on natural talent without doing enough training. This almost cost him against Bruce Curry, who nearly KO'd him, but Benitez went onto win a controversial decision.

Benitez seemingly put it all together in his victory over linear welterweight champion Carlos Palomino, whom he defeated in a 15 round bout. However once again Benitez began to lack the necessary dedication that is required in the sport and it has been said that he went into the fight with Ray Leonard having only done a week of serious training. Leonard's superior speed seemed to be the difference, it allowed him to initiate the exchanges with Benitez only looking to counter.

The loss did not bother Benitez, and he went up to the junior middleweight division a rejuvenated and more mature fighter. He KO'd 154 lb champ Maurice Hope in highlight reel fashion and defeated Roberto Duran in a title defense. Against Thomas Hearns, Benitez had great trouble getting past Hearns's long jab and he lost a 15 round decision.

The fight with Hearns seemed to mark the end of Benitez's true prime, at the early age of only 24 years, and his management made the bone-headed move to move up a former 140 lber into the middleweight division in hopes of getting a shot at Marvin Hagler. The strong Mustafa Hamsho stood in his way, and Benitez showed little of the old fire in a 12 round decision loss. His career derailed further, and he ended up losing to Davey Moore, himself coming off a loss to Duran, after a first round knockdown injured his ankle. From then on he fought on as a journeyman and a clubfighter, losing to local prospects for small paydays. It's said that Benitez, having been a boxer almost since he was born, suffered brain damage from boxing which led to his early decline.

[SpecialOne]

fantastic, greata..

thanks alot

got one on hagler?

[mickey malone]

i know about duran but could some one educate me about

wilfred benitez
hearns
hagler

and their solid careers??

especially benitez and hearns

education please

Benitez was a 3 weight world champion between 1976 and 1982..
He is also the youngest ever professional to win a world title, outscoring Antonio Cervantes for the udisputed 140lb strap when he was just 17 years and 3 months old.. He made 4 successful defenses b4 moving up to 147 where outpointed Carlos Palomino for his second undisputed crown.. He made one quick defense against Harold Western, but lost it to Ray Leonard on a 15th round stoppage in a very close but entertaining fight.. In 1981 he moved up to 154 and ko'd Maurice Hope for title no3, making him a 3 weight champion at just 21 years old.. Benitez defended it twice beating Carlos Santos and Roberto Duran on points, but lost out on points over 15 to Thomas Hearns in 1982.. Although he scored more than 30 ko's, I wouldn't say he was particularly known for his power but was certainly one of the (if not THE) greatest orthodox counter-punching technicians of all time.. Sadly, Hearns was his last great performance and he never regained a championship after that.. He had one of the earliest primes imaginable and was pretty much done by 1986.. A short but spectacular career, P4P ATG imo..

Hearns in my opinion was the hardest punching welter of all time.. He DC'd Benitez over 15, KO2 Duran at 154, was TKO 14 by Leonard at 147and KO 3 by Hagler at 160..
In a return with Leonard at 160 I think, the fight was declared a draw but I think it's fair to say, the majority of people would say Tommy was robbed in that one.. Leonard was badly decked on 2 occasions by punches that'd take out most fighters and I think he may have won the judges hearts for hanging in there.. As well as his huge right hand, Hearns was also probably the best boxer of the 3 but as is often the case with punchers, he also had the weaker chin.. Unlike the others, Hearns also had a successful career at LH winning the WBC title with a KO of Dennis Andries.. All in all he held versions of the title in 5 different weights.. 147 Cuevas KO, 154 Benitez DC, 160 Roldan KO, 168 Olajide DC, 175 Andries KO (WBC) and Virgil Hill DC (WBA).. He even won one of the paper championships at cruiser when he was about 40.. Some fighter!
His main blemish's would have to be Hagler, and 2 defeats, one by KO4 to Iran Barkley; a crude but effective pressure fighter, a style that Hearns never quite fathomed out, and Tommy's boogieman for sure..

Hagler I believe is only behind Bernard Hopkins and Carlos Monzon in title defenses.. He KO'd Hearns in 3 of the most exciting rounds you'll ever see in your life, a real 'Must See'
He also beat Roberto Duran over 15, but was outpointed over 12 by SRL.. He never fought outside of 160 and so therefore never engaged Benitez..
An imposible to KO, long armed (78") smooth boxing southpaw.. More KO's than any other MW champion, in the late 50's, if I remember rightly, but wasn't by any means a 1 punch KO monster.. He just had blunt nullifying power in both hands, and would dissect, then dismantle in most cases..
What stands out most with Marvin is the level of contenders he faced.. After winning the title by TKO3 of Alan Minter in the UK, a fight may I add the drunken fans of Minter ruined by throwing bottles at Hagler, he went on to stop terrific fighters like Mustafa Hamsho, Benny Briscoe, Tony Sibson and Juan Roldan who would have all been there or there about's today.. His most impressive performance in my opinion, was an 11th rd KO of KO specialist, John Mugabe who b4 Hagler had softened him up, was being ducked left right and center.. I'd say the only blemish on a top quality resume would have to be when he eventually lost the title to Ray Leonard by SD12 who was coming back after eye surgery and a 4 year lay off.. Leonard put on the show of his life in that fight, in another 'Must See' classic.. he also had 2 draws and 2 points loses from his early career that were all avenged in brutal fashion.. A snarling aggressor in the ring, but a very jovial character out of it..

[Thread Stealer]

Hearns was a monster puncher with his right hand, also had a terrific left hook to the body. His left jab was killer. He could stalk and bomb guys out like he did to Pipino Cuevas & Roberto Duran (if you haven't youtubed these knockouts, you ought to), but also box and use the ring. He outboxed Wilfred Benitez & was outboxing Leonard in their first fight before Leonard rallied to stop Tommy. He won titles from 147 all the way through 175 (the WBO title at 168, which weren't too respected in the 80s). His shaky chin, moreso at 160 and up, was a weak point, but he was still a great fighter.

Hagler's one of the greatest MWs ever. He had a tough road on the way to the the title and beat some good fighters up there. He got screwed in his first title shot, as mostly everyone disagreed with the draw and thought Hagler won. He stopped Minter on cuts in his 2nd title try and reigned until the Leonard fight. Hagler's was versatile and well-rounded. He usually had good parrying & head movement but could take a great shot when he did get hit. He had one of the best southpaw jabs you'll see, and often switched between orthodox and southpaw stances. He could box in circles, box flat-footed, or be aggressive and take it to his opponent (see the Hearns fight). Good but not freakish power, respectable but not terrific speed, but he could fight inside or outside.

[Snopkins]

but lost it to Ray Leonard on a 15th round stoppage in a very close but entertaining fight.


for hanging in there.

Do you ever stop lying? That fight wasn't close at all.


Leonard did a hell of alot more than just "hang in there" against Hearns in their rematch too.

He hurt Hearns three times and looked close to knocking him out twice.

[mickey malone]

Do you ever stop lying? That fight wasn't close at all.


Leonard did a hell of alot more than just "hang in there" against Hearns in their rematch too.

He hurt Hearns three times and looked close to knocking him out twice.

But you're a wrestling fan..

If like the TS, you're looking to improve your boxing knowledge, i'd suggest you put down the Gorgeous George vids, and pay more attention to the sport you're trying to learn about..

[Snopkins]

But you're a wrestling fan..

If like the TS, you're looking to improve your boxing knowledge, i'd suggest you put down the Gorgeous George vids, and pay more attention to the sport you're trying to learn about..

Oh dear.Old Mickey Malone truly has lost his marbles.Could it be down to old age perhaps? Or just the fact that yet again he has proven himself to be ignorant of the sport that he claims to be a fan of.


It's too easy with you,malone.