charley burleys defense was amazing

[BennyST]

i agree with you in that Burley was a great fighter in his day, an exceptionally good fighter who should and could have achieved far more than he did but due to the racism of that period he was prevented from achieving his just rewards.. There is only very limited footage available of Burley and several other black fighters of that era yet i put that down to them simply not being good enough in the eyes of the boxing public, cameras were available in the 40s and we even have footage from 40yrs previous to when Charley Burley and Co. was campaigning.

i agree that Roy Jones was the closest thing to unbeatable i have also ever seen.

Man, no offense but that's complete rubbish. Even today the same type of thing happens. If someone has media darling written all over them, they get the time, the cameras, the popularity, the fights, the money etc.

Think of fighters that were among the P4P elite who were never known outside of the boxing fraternity in this modern age of video/TV?

If they are overshadowed by someone truly great but also has a great media image, they will be left in the shadows man. You should see this.

Look at Hatton. He could have had any fight he wanted. He wasn't as good as many other fighters but he was popular and had a good image.

Look at Stevie Johnson, Mark Johnson, Jeff Chandler, Whitaker before Chavez. All were unknown outside of boxing circles.

Ivan Calderon right now is a classic example. He is as good as anyone today with his defense, including Mayweather and rarely lost rounds just like Jones. He is now fighting guys way bigger and now that he is older is struggling, just like Jones. But, he has not had a single major payday, is rarely on any big fight card. People will forget him soon enough and in reality he has been a P4P elite fighter for his whole damn career though even the boxing fraternity don't put him up there.

[Suckmedry]

Man, no offense but that's complete rubbish. Even today the same type of thing happens. If someone has media darling written all over them, they get the time, the cameras, the popularity, the fights, the money etc.

Think of fighters that were among the P4P elite who were never known outside of the boxing fraternity in this modern age of video/TV?

If they are overshadowed by someone truly great but also has a great media image, they will be left in the shadows man. You should see this.

Look at Hatton. He could have had any fight he wanted. He wasn't as good as many other fighters but he was popular and had a good image.

Look at Stevie Johnson, Mark Johnson, Jeff Chandler, Whitaker before Chavez. All were unknown outside of boxing circles.

Ivan Calderon right now is a classic example. He is as good as anyone today with his defense, including Mayweather and rarely lost rounds just like Jones. He is now fighting guys way bigger and now that he is older is struggling, just like Jones. But, he has not had a single major payday, is rarely on any big fight card. People will forget him soon enough and in reality he has been a P4P elite fighter for his whole damn career though even the boxing fraternity don't put him up there.

Exactly. It is unfair a fighter like Margarito, who isn't one tenth of the fighter Calderon is, can get tons of credit, PPV dates, paydays etc While Ivan is still in relative obscurity.

[Suckmedry]

Even in Puerto Rico, Ivan's damn backyard, he is still overshadowed by Cotto. Now Cotto is a top fighter with an ill resume, but really Ivan is easily in the same class as him and possibly is a better fighter. But because Ivan weighs 108 and isn't a big puncher he is overshadowed.

[sonnyboyx2]

Man, no offense but that's complete rubbish. Even today the same type of thing happens. If someone has media darling written all over them, they get the time, the cameras, the popularity, the fights, the money etc.

Think of fighters that were among the P4P elite who were never known outside of the boxing fraternity in this modern age of video/TV?

If they are overshadowed by someone truly great but also has a great media image, they will be left in the shadows man. You should see this.

Look at Hatton. He could have had any fight he wanted. He wasn't as good as many other fighters but he was popular and had a good image.

Look at Stevie Johnson, Mark Johnson, Jeff Chandler, Whitaker before Chavez. All were unknown outside of boxing circles.

Ivan Calderon right now is a classic example. He is as good as anyone today with his defense, including Mayweather and rarely lost rounds just like Jones. He is now fighting guys way bigger and now that he is older is struggling, just like Jones. But, he has not had a single major payday, is rarely on any big fight card. People will forget him soon enough and in reality he has been a P4P elite fighter for his whole damn career though even the boxing fraternity don't put him up there.

no it is not rubbish, what you are trying to say is not correct, Ivan Calderon is a Flyweight which is the most unattractive division in boxing, Pernell Whitaker was always filmed and on TV i have all but one of his entire pro career on DVD as well as lots of Jeff Chandler & Stevie Johnson fights, take a look at the upcoming fights list for the next 6 months and you will not see a single `media-darling` fighter after Floyd v Mosley fight yet boxing is on tv on a weekly basis, take a look at all the old Gillette, Pathe & Blue Ribbon fights from the 40s & 50s the vast majority of those fights are of fringe contenders or fighters who never went on to greatness.

[TheGreatA]

There's no doubt in my mind that the likes of Charley Burley, Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Jimmy Bivins, Lloyd Marshall, Eddie Booker and others took boxing techniques to another level. I'm not saying they were all necessary the best but due to their numerous fights against each other they were able to perfect many techniques that have been around since, and some forgotten.

Burley was good enough since he was ranked the number 1 contender at both welterweight and middleweight but he was unfortunate not to get a title shot, not only due to Armstrong/Zivic avoiding him but due to the Second World War. He had his best years in the early 40's. Tony Zale wasn't interested in fighting him either. People talk about Robinson, but Robinson wasn't the champion at the time and had no obligations to fight an opponent who was ranked a division above his. It's mainly Armstrong, Zivic, Zale who get the blame from me. Armstrong because he elected to give Zivic a shot despite Burley having beaten Zivic 2 out of 3.

[TheGreatA]

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no it is not rubbish, what you are trying to say is not correct, Ivan Calderon is a Flyweight which is the most unattractive division in boxing, Pernell Whitaker was always filmed and on TV i have all but one of his entire pro career on DVD as well as lots of Jeff Chandler & Stevie Johnson fights, take a look at the upcoming fights list for the next 6 months and you will not see a single `media-darling` fighter after Floyd v Mosley fight yet boxing is on tv on a weekly basis, take a look at all the old Gillette, Pathe & Blue Ribbon fights from the 40s & 50s the vast majority of those fights are of fringe contenders or fighters who never went on to greatness.

Of course everyone is filmed these days. We have a godzillion TV channels, and video equipment is cheap. His point is that some fighters are not very popular even if great, others are Arturo Gatti, Diego Corrales, Ricky Hatton who get much more attention than their boxing abilities and achievements should warrant.

But back in the 40s not being very popular, implied getting little to no video coverage.

[alexisarguello8]

so now you know more than eddie futch about boxing and charley burley was not slow and his footwork was not slow i myself am not comparing to him roy jones im just saying his style is really a throwback and like many other fighters of the past, implement some of the most techinal boxing moves there is