Great Who Could Of Achieved More?

**CarlosG815** · 03-25-2010, 09:29 PM

Mike Tyson
Rid**** Bowe
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Naseem Hamed

**The Beatles** · 03-26-2010, 12:08 AM

Joe louis - The War
Muhammad Ali - Vietnam
Naseem Hamed - early retirement
Sal Sanchez - Young Death

**mickey malone** · 03-26-2010, 12:14 AM

Les Darcy - Died of Scepticemea
Harry Greb - Similar to Darcy but fought with one eye for most of his career
Sandy Saddler - Career cut short by eye damage received in a car crash
Salvador Sanchez - Car crash
Marcel Cerdan - Plane crash
Gerald McClellan - Suffered brain damage
James Toney - Undertrained
Rid**** Bowe - Undertrained
Jack Dempsey - Underactive
Floyd Mayweather - Underactive
Ray Leonard - Underactive/detached retina
Carlos Monzon - Shoud have moved up to Lhwt
Jack Johnson - Career spoiled by racist politics

**Thread Stealer** · 03-26-2010, 12:35 AM

Aaron Pryor: ******* addiction, managerial & personal problems
Mike Tyson: prison, headcase
James Toney: lazy glutton

**EzzardFan** · 03-26-2010, 03:30 AM

Ali - lost his best 4 years
Ray Leonard - took too much time out
Joe Louis - WWII
Mike Tyson - if he had stuck with Teddy Atlas
Pretty much any great black fighter competing prior to 1945, particularly at HW (Joe Louis excepted).

I disagree with the person who cited Harry Greb. Greb was in decline at the time of his death. The only thing that would have improved on Greb's career would have been if he'd gotten a shot at Dempsey.

**Thread Stealer** · 03-26-2010, 03:50 AM

Originally posted by EzzardFan

Ali - lost his best 4 years
Ray Leonard - took too much time out
Joe Louis - WWII
Mike Tyson - if he had stuck with Teddy Atlas
Pretty much any great black fighter competing prior to 1945, particularly at HW (Joe Louis excepted).

I disagree with the person who cited Harry Greb. Greb was in decline at the time of his death. The only thing that would have improved on Greb's career would have been if he'd gotten a shot at Dempsey.

Do you mean Kevin Rooney?

Atlas was Tyson's trainer as a teenage amateur.

**NChristo** · 03-26-2010, 04:07 AM

First names that come to mind are Joe Gans, Roberto Duran, Rid**** Bowe, Joe Louis, Ali.

**mickey malone** · 03-26-2010, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by EzzardFan

Ali - lost his best 4 years
Ray Leonard - took too much time out
Joe Louis - WWII
Mike Tyson - if he had stuck with Teddy Atlas
Pretty much any great black fighter competing prior to 1945, particularly at HW (Joe Louis excepted).

I disagree with the person who cited Harry Greb. Greb was in decline at the time of his death. The only thing that would have improved on Greb's career would have been if he'd gotten a shot at Dempsey.

I was emphasizing, if he had two good eyes..

**Shazam!** · 03-26-2010, 06:22 AM

I agree with a lot of the names that have been mentioned. I'd also throw Ricky Hatton in there. He was a great puncher...knocked a lot of people out with body shots.....but his over-reliance on this and consequent failure to learn important fundamentels, coupled with a terrible diet/lifestyle between fights led to an early demise.

He would have lost to Mayweather and Pacquiao (ATG's) whichever way you spin it. But if not for the above he could still be competing at a very high level. He's still only in his early 30's. A shame really.

Great Who Could Of Achieved More?