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  • Emon723
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    #31
    Then who are the best available opponents for Tito, the only boxer he didnt faced at WW is Ike Quartey, Terry Norris avoided him at 154, he beat undefeated boxers such as Campas and Oba Carr, and those who only had 1 or 2 losses when Tito fought them.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Fiasco
      Trinidad didn't fight the best available. Of his 21 world title fights, only 9 of his fights were against top 10 ranked opponents.

      Ask any non-biased fan who won the fight and they'll tell you that De La Hoya won.
      Trinidad fought everyone. Name a fighter he didn't fight. Like I said you can possibly name Ike Quartey but even then you'd be wrong because Quartey was disgusted with boxing and semi-retired for a year and a half after the fight with DLH.

      DLH wanted 70-30 for a rematch with Tito. Tito was a jrMW by the time Mosley came around. So who exactly did Trinidad duck?

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      • Fiasco
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        #33
        Originally posted by Left2body
        Trinidad fought everyone. Name a fighter he didn't fight. Like I said you can possibly name Ike Quartey but even then you'd be wrong because Quartey was disgusted with boxing and semi-retired for a year and a half after the fight with DLH.

        DLH wanted 70-30 for a rematch with Tito. Tito was a jrMW by the time Mosley came around. So who exactly did Trinidad duck?
        Quartey's fight with DLH was nearly 6 years after Trinidad won his first welterweight title. How come, in those 6 years, Quartey was not a possibility? Quartey was a welterweight champion, too.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Fiasco
          Quartey's fight with DLH was nearly 6 years after Trinidad won his first welterweight title. How come, in those 6 years, Quartey was not a possibility? Quartey was a welterweight champion, too.

          Again when he left the WW division there was No one left. It was a cleaned out division. The much stronger competition at that time was at the jrMW division. There was no one left, who was fighting at the WW division.

          You calling a man who fought Prime DLH, Pernell Whittaker, Prime Hopkins, Prime Winky, Prime Vargas, undefeated Campas and Oba Carr was ducking Quartey......ok bro.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Left2body
            Again when he left the WW division there was No one left. It was a cleaned out division. The much stronger competition at that time was at the jrMW division. There was no one left, who was fighting at the WW division.

            You calling a man who fought Prime DLH, Pernell Whittaker, Prime Hopkins, Prime Winky, Prime Vargas, undefeated Campas and Oba Carr was ducking Quartey......ok bro.
            So you're saying that fighting only 5 top 10 ranked welterweights, in a total of 16 welterweight title fights, in his 6 year title reign, means that he fought everybody and cleaned out the division?

            Wow..

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              #36
              Originally posted by Fiasco
              So you're saying that fighting only 5 top 10 ranked welterweights, in a total of 16 welterweight title fights, in his 6 year title reign, means that he fought everybody and cleaned out the division?

              Wow..
              Again who should he have stayed in the division for? Who would've been better opposition than Vargas, Reid, Joppy and Hopkins? Those guys were 4 of the 5 fighters he fought after DLH.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Left2body
                Again who should he have stayed in the division for? Who would've been better opposition than Vargas, Reid, Joppy and Hopkins? Those guys were 4 of the 5 fighters he fought after DLH.
                Those were his fights after he left the welterweight division. During his 6 year title reign, he didn't fight enough top 10 ranked fighters.

                Here's some top 10 ranked fighters that he could've fought in the whole 6 years he was a champion for:

                Ike Quartey (champion)
                Vernon Forrest (champion)
                Wilfredo Rivera
                Jose Luis Lopez (champion)
                Patrick Charpantier
                James Page (champion)
                Eamonn Loughran (champion)

                He didn't have to stay in the division, for them. He just could've fought them anytime during his whole title reign.

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                  #38
                  Quartey and Trinidad signed for a fight in 1998, but the fight got cancelled because Quartey and Main Events were sued by a promotional company.

                  http://www.nycourts.gov/comdiv/Law%2...99/quartey.htm

                  After plaintiffs commenced this action, Main Events arranged for Quartey to fight Felix Trinidad in November 1998 for $1.9 million, and Quartey signed a contract for the fight on June 12, 1998. AB Stars alleges that before Quartey signed the Trinidad contract, it had negotiated a fight for Quartey against Oscar de la Hoya for $4.5 million, and therefore, Quartey and Asah, at the direction and control of Main Events, further violated the September Agreement because Main Events held itself as Quartey's sole promoter, did not receive AB Stars' consent, and ignored the fact that AB Stars had received a proposal for the de la Hoya fight. Quartey contends that he had no knowledge of, or interest in, fighting de la Hoya, and that it would not have been in the best interests of his career.

                  In August 1998, WBA stripped Quartey of his title after he withdrew from a fight against Alexei Pestraiev. Quartey's bout with Trinidad was also canceled, and subsequently, Main Events arranged for Quartey to fight de la Hoya on November 21, 1998. AB Stars argues that Main Events again breached the September Agreement by executing the de la Hoya contract as Quartey's sole promoter, and caused irreparable harm to AB Stars, which had originally negotiated the Quartey/de la Hoya fight. AB Stars claims that it is entitled to a preliminary injunction to prevent further harm by Main Events and preserve the status quo under the September Agreement pending a resolution of this action.

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                  • Fiasco
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Thread Stealer
                    Quartey and Trinidad signed for a fight in 1998, but the fight got cancelled because Quartey and Main Events were sued by a promotional company.

                    http://www.nycourts.gov/comdiv/Law%2...99/quartey.htm
                    Fair enough, then. That still leaves the many other fighters, though.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Fiasco
                      Those were his fights after he left the welterweight division. During his 6 year title reign, he didn't fight enough top 10 ranked fighters.

                      Here's some top 10 ranked fighters that he could've fought in the whole 6 years he was a champion for:

                      Ike Quartey (champion)
                      Vernon Forrest (champion)
                      Wilfredo Rivera
                      Jose Luis Lopez (champion)
                      Patrick Charpantier
                      James Page (champion)
                      Eamonn Loughran (champion)

                      He didn't have to stay in the division, for them. He just could've fought them anytime during his whole title reign.
                      Vernon Forrest and James Page werent highly ranked contenders yet during Tito's reign, Wilfredo Rivera and Jose Luis Lopez? yes they fought great champions in Whitaker and Quartey but so is Trinidad who beat:

                      Luis Garcia (2 losses only to Blocker and Meldrick Taylor by decision, Tito knock him out in 1 round)
                      Camacho (more experience than tito that time)
                      Anthony Stephens (who would fought for a 154 lbs title a couple of times after Tito beat him)
                      Campas and Carr were undefeated and had more fights with Trinidad.

                      do you expect frenchman Patrick Charpienter to be better than all of Tito's opponents, the fact is all four of them, Whitaker, Quartey, DLH and Trinidad cleaned up the Welterweight division when they all finally slug it out in 1999.
                      It was Quartey who was in the losing end with cancelled fights with Whitaker and Trinidad in '98.

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