Roy Jones Jr Or Jake Lamotta?

[Obama]

I've been searching Jones' resume for a win the caliber of Sugar Ray Robinson.

Not much luck so far, can anyone help me out?

LaMotta outweighed Robinson by 17 lbs. Jones win over a man his own size in James Toney is more impressive.

But even if you don't want to believe that, 1 win doesn't make a career. Jones basically wen't 15 years undefeated, and won titles from Middleweight to Heavyweight. LaMotta couldn't even beat an elite uninjured Middleweight, much less anyone bigger than that at all.

[Jim Jeffries]

LaMotta outweighed Robinson by 17 lbs. Jones win over a man his own size in James Toney is more impressive.

But even if you don't want to believe that, 1 win doesn't make a career. Jones basically wen't 15 years undefeated, and won titles from Middleweight to Heavyweight. LaMotta couldn't even beat an elite uninjured Middleweight, much less anyone bigger than that at all.

I take it math isn't your strong suit. It was 16 FYI but surely the greatest fighter that ever lived could overcome this deficiency against a fighter you seem to be portraying as a bum.

What about the 4 fights succeeding that one where the differences were considerably less? Were they complete blowouts? Including the SD? If so, why the need to fight the guy 6 times?

Wasn't Toney extremely weight drained for the Jones fight? Wasn't Toney's very next fight at LHW, a weight class higher? And didn't Toney lose that very next fight against a very inexperienced Griffin?




Pac fought a guy last night that outweighed him by double digits in the ring. By your logic, Clottey should've destroyed him.

[MonsieurGeorges]

The people that diss Jake Lamotta are the people that watch boxing and don't know what they are seeing. Everyone forgets how adept Jake was on the inside, or they just never knew. To say he was just a strong guy who could only wear guys out with his chin and physical strength is ridiculous beyond belief. If you really watch his fights you can see that his boxing mind is constantly working, he just moves at a fast pace and tries to move into optimal range. He beat guys stronger than he was, and they were good in the way you had to be at that time period. We're talking about a fighter that was put through the meat grinder and came out the other end. No fighter who fought in the 1990s could even have possibly been through as much to get to the top.

You've got to take into account that the sport was very different then, and middleweight was a dangerous place to be fighting top guys.

[icesplit]

I liked raging bull.

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Roy. I am not going to say it's not even close, because it would not be quite true, but I would not think there should be much debate on this one.

[oaklandstephen]

rjjr ..................

[EzzardFan]

RJJnr's achievements were a product of the time in which he fought. There were less fighters fighting less fights less frequently against a weaker class of fewer opponents in an alphabet soup of weight divisions and titles.

If we transported prime Lamotta plus a decent referee able to distinguish between in fighting and clinching into RJJnr's time then Lamotta would probably clear out 3 weight divisions with ease. If we transported RJJnr back to the 50s then he might make it as a decent club fighter.

[Suckmedry]

RJJnr's achievements were a product of the time in which he fought. There were less fighters fighting less fights less frequently against a weaker class of fewer opponents in an alphabet soup of weight divisions and titles.

If we transported prime Lamotta plus a decent referee able to distinguish between in fighting and clinching into RJJnr's time then Lamotta would probably clear out 3 weight divisions with ease. If we transported RJJnr back to the 50s then he might make it as a decent club fighter.

Roy Jones would be nothing but among the very best in any era. For you to say he would be a club fighter in the 50's is just ******ed.

[EzzardFan]

Roy Jones would be nothing but among the very best in any era. For you to say he would be a club fighter in the 50's is just ******ed.

Try reading this:

http://www.amazon.com/Arc-Boxing-Decline-Sweet-Science/dp/0786438495/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269513857&sr=8-1

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