How is Marvin Hagler not the best MW of all time?

[Joey Giardello]

Hopkins beat more world champions than Monzon did and reigned for a longer period of time.

Monzon beat more Hall Of Famers than Hopkins, and retired champ, something which Hopkins didn't do. He lost his title to a average fighter!

[CarlosG815]

Most of them defences were of the IBF title do, virtually all of Monzon's were of the undisputed.

And unlike Monzon, Hopkins lost his title to Jermain Taylor. Who in reality lived of them Hopkins wins, and never achieved much since.

Monzon would of never lost his title, to someone of Taylor's caliber.

Thats why Monzon>Hopkins at 160lb.

I agree. I do feel that the fight with Taylor could have gone to Hopkins depending on who was judging the fight that night.

[CarlosG815]

Monzon beat more Hall Of Famers than Hopkins, and retired champ, something which Hopkins didn't do. He lost his title to a average fighter!

Glen Johnson
Felix Trinidad
Oscar De La Hoya
William Joppy
Antonio Tarver
Winky Wright
Prime Kelly Pavlik

He also fought Joe Calzaghe in a fight that could have gone either way depending on who was judging.

[Royalty]

Monzon beat more Hall Of Famers than Hopkins, and retired champ, something which Hopkins didn't do. He lost his title to a average fighter!

Two of the three HOF's that Monzon beat (Benvenuti and Griffith) had a career at middleweight. Napoles only fought there once and that was against Monzon. The fight was also pretty even, up until Napoles retired in his corner.

Both Hopkins vs Taylor fights are debatable. Some people even think Hopkins won both fights. And I don't see how Taylor was an "average" fighter. Disregarding his wins over Hopkins, he beat 5 other world champions.

[Joey Giardello]

Glen Johnson
Felix Trinidad
Oscar De La Hoya
William Joppy
Antonio Tarver
Winky Wright
Prime Kelly Pavlik

He also fought Joe Calzaghe in a fight that could have gone either way depending on who was judging.

We're talking about Middleweight legacy. So take off Tarver, Winky, Pavlik off, as them fights weren't at Middleweight.

[CarlosG815]

We're talking about Middleweight legacy. So take off Tarver, Winky, Pavlik off, as them fights weren't at Middleweight.

Hop, Winky and Pavlik are all MW's regardless of what they fought at in those fights.

[crold1]

Hopkins beat more world champions than Monzon did and reigned as champion for a longer period of time.

Part of Hopkins beating more world champs at Middleweight was because he only had one of three (or four depending on opinions of WBO regard during his time) belts. Guys like Joppy and Holmes would never have been little c 'champs' wihtout more kindergarten soccer trophies to go around. Contrast that with Monzon whose sole 'titlist' win, Valdez, went on to be the champ briefly after Monzon retired.

[Joey Giardello]

Two of the three HOF's that Monzon beat (Benvenuti and Griffith) had a career at middleweight. Napoles only fought there once and that was against Monzon. The fight was also pretty even, up until Napoles retired in his corner.

Both Hopkins vs Taylor fights are debatable. Some people even think Hopkins won both fights. And I don't see how Taylor was an "average" fighter. Disregarding his wins over Hopkins, he beat 5 other world champions.

At the time of the stoppage, Napoles was starting to get a beaten and his face was a mess, Dundee even said that's why he pulled him out, due to the beating Monzon was giving him and he feared for Napoles's health.

At the end of the day Hopkins, still lost his title to Taylor, who would go on to be knocked out by Pavlik, Abraham, and Froch, and mainly lived of them Hopkins's wins. Pretty bad losses for Hopkins.

And Hopkins's was struggling with a out of shape De La Hoya, before going down to bizzare body shot. Napoles>>>>>>>>>>>>De La Hoya.

And Monzon beat better fighters than Hopkins at 160lb.

And these world champions, are belt holders, due to there being so many sancationng bodies. So please stop bringing them up and calling them world champions.

And Hopkins even says he wasn't as great as Monzon and wound't have beat him.

/End Of Argument. When Hopkins even admits it himself!

[Joey Giardello]

Hop, Winky and Pavlik are all MW's regardless of what they fought at in those fights.

The fights were fought at LHW, thus being LHW fights!

FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CarlosG815]

And Hopkins even says he wasn't as great as Monzon and wound't have beat him.

/End Of Argument. When Hopkins even admits it himself!

I agree Monzon is better than Hopkins. It just seemed like you were totally discrediting Hopkins and his accomplishments.

Like I said earlier Monzon is one of the top 3 MW's of all time.