What Is The Biggest ''Duck'' In The History Of Boxing?

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That reminds me of what Tyson said regarding Robinson and Armstrong. Armstrong telling Ray, if he had so much respect for him, to fight him and help him make some money.

I'm not overly critical of Hagler though since McCallum was in another division. I think it's a bonus rather than an obligation to fight champs in a lower division. If a guy moves up and makes his mark in that division, then it's a totally different story.

[General Zod]

jack dempsey - anybody black.
jack johnson - anybody black after winning title. namely langford.

Jack Johnson was a strange guy, thats for sure

[General Zod]

I'm not overly critical of Hagler though since McCallum was in another division. I think it's a bonus rather than an obligation to fight champs in a lower division. If a guy moves up and makes his mark in that division, then it's a totally different story.

Good point, but Hagler did call out: Hearns, Duran, Leonard and Benitez

[General Zod]

Pryor was offered a fight with Leonard, and Duran as well. He was the one who turned down the offer, unhappy with the offer of half a million, which while relatively low, was 10 times his previous career high.

Aaron Pryor was using the succesful business model followed and perfected by Winky Wright

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Good point, but Hagler did call out: Hearns, Duran, Leonard and Benitez

I don't really think Hagler necessarily had an obligation to fight them either. As a champion, your obligation is to fight the best guys in your division. Outside of it is a bonus.

But obviously he wanted to fight those guys. Big events, exposure, and payday.

It's good that Benitez never fought Hagler. Benitez was pretty faded at that point, smaller also, and would've been beaten pretty badly.

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jack dempsey - anybody black.
jacj johnson - anybody black after winning title. namely langford.

Almost true.

Dempsey did fight black fighters early on; just no one particularly significant. The who is more important than the race, and there were some good who's to consider like Norfolk, a still game Langford etc. Louis didn't fight a lot of black fighters either, but his wasn't the strongest era in those regards.

Johnson didn't fight much at all after winning the title, but he did participate in the first all-black title fight with Jim Johnson. Jeanette matched him almost head up barely turned pro and was a much bigger miss than Langford for the title.

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No, Lewis didn't.

Off the top of my Head: Bernard Hopkins

It was WIDELY reported at the time that Lewis was asking for 10 Million which was an absurd ask in 93 dollars for a fighter in his position fighting for the Undisputed crown.

Would he have come down if Newman was serious about making a Lewis fight? Probably. I think the duck has become overblown because the conditions never materialized for that fight to come about after it didn't in early 93. Logically, it makes sense to have tried to make the highest risk fight worth the most reward. Bowe just wasn't pro enough to keep his ass out of Burger King or wherever long enough for that to happen.

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Duran ducking Cervantes.

[Levcon8686]

Oscar offered Winky the fight and Wright turned it down. He said the money wasnt good enough, he was offered 8m by Oscar

To be fair to De La Hoya, there are sources verifying this. Someone found a quote from Winky on the subject from years ago. Not word for word but something like ~ ''He offered us 8 million but we turned it down. I mean c'mon, he gives everyone else he fights 15!''

Winky may have been correct in that assessment but it would have been his biggest payday yet, so Oscar gets cut some slack imo.

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Duran ducking Cervantes.

Cervantes had already lost to Benitez by the time Duran moved up from Lightweight.

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