Do you consider Mike Tyson a P4P all-time great?

[QueensburyRules]

He was a one dimensional fighter that only knew how to fight in the peak a boo stance. More versatility may have given him a better chance against Lewis and especially Holyfield. Also, perhaps his biggest win against Larry Holmes is very overrated in my opinion. I think the long layoff Holmes was coming off of gave Mike a big advantage. When Holmes was more active in the early 90s he was alot more sturdy even being older, and gave Holyfield a tough time

- - Guess U wasn't around then.

Lar had followed Mike around like a lap dog gone rabid at every title fight, publicly savaging him in interviews saying he's been in training at his own gym in what turned out to be a full year before Mike had collected all the belts save for the Ring that he picked up later vs Spinks.

Mike was a 4 round circus on experimental psychotropic sedatives act by the time of Field and Lewie being bilked by DKing. They was busy being diapered in lesser divisions around when he went on a record breaking wreaking tour that has never been seen before or since.

[Nash out]

Maybe at banging Asian hoes, but if "prime Mike" was around today, he'd be no more than top 30. Nash out.

[Naps]

Tyson has a **** resume. Beat a couple of good fighters, lost pretty much everytime he stepped up to World level.

[The Old LefHook]

Tyson would still shock and rattle opponents. His speed, aggression and power are not trivial to overcome. Nothing about prime Tyson was a common sight. Just as in his actual career, many opponents would be out before they quite realized what had happened to them.

He had perfect tools which were wasted on his psyche. In most settings his psyche would fall first, methinks, which means he cannot beat the greatest fighters among heavyweights, which means he is not an ATG P4P fighter, either. But he was a very dangerous heavyweight for contender-level opponents. I believe no one could ever pitch a complete shutout against him the way Liston did to Patterson. He will make you feel him, even in loss.

[Blond Beast]

The sentiments changed a bit over time, but he was once one of the most overrated fighters. It’s not saying he wasent very good, more of just how lofty so many people had him with the “prime” Tyson comments.
For perspective it was Mike Tyson who lost in one of if not the biggest upsets in history. It wasent anybody else, it was Tyson. That makes sense.
The cream rises to the top. Boxing is a never ending tournament. There’s a reason fighters and especially Tyson started to lose when he fought other guys who were forged in fire. Highlight reel KOs dont show up as often once you fight the best.
His skills are overrated. His head movement is more myth than mythical. His jab was never really a thing. Three, four, five punch combos were the reality compared to just plain slamming in with one twos. He was never a great inside fighter, nor did he want to be there. He’d often look to the ref to separate them and then try and slam in again with a one two. He cycled through his combos more than ever trying to set anything up or counter punch. He often became flat footed.
Of course I can say a pile of things that Mike did extremely well, but that’s often what’s been said enough. Everyone sees his old training videos and whistles, but it’s not the same. Ducking under an overhead line in the ring. Pivoting to different angles on a heavy bag.
He had style, power and a great look. He was entertaining. It’s prize fighting, that’s what people pay to see and he knew it. Short black trunks, old school black boots no socks. If he changed his colours each fight or wore jammers, tassels, or was covered in advertising he wouldn’t be as revered.
That being said being overrated can also mean you are beloved in a way. It’s a compliment at its heart. Lots of fighters are underrated because they just didn’t have all the things people want to pay to see.
So I do think as a prize fighter and an entertainer he was great. The excitement and intrigue he generated for the sport.
People wanted him to win. When he lost they’ve created a myth that he would have won if only…

[The Old LefHook]

The sentiments changed a bit over time, but he was once one of the most overrated fighters. It’s not saying he wasent very good, more of just how lofty so many people had him with the “prime” Tyson comments.
For perspective it was Mike Tyson who lost in one of if not the biggest upsets in history. It wasent anybody else, it was Tyson. That makes sense.
The cream rises to the top. Boxing is a never ending tournament. There’s a reason fighters and especially Tyson started to lose when he fought other guys who were forged in fire. Highlight reel KOs dont show up as often once you fight the best.
His skills are overrated. His head movement is more myth than mythical. His jab was never really a thing. Three, four, five punch combos were the reality compared to just plain slamming in with one twos. He was never a great inside fighter, nor did he want to be there. He’d often look to the ref to separate them and then try and slam in again with a one two. He cycled through his combos more than ever trying to set anything up or counter punch. He often became flat footed.
Of course I can say a pile of things that Mike did extremely well, but that’s often what’s been said enough. Everyone sees his old training videos and whistles, but it’s not the same. Ducking under an overhead line in the ring. Pivoting to different angles on a heavy bag.
He had style, power and a great look. He was entertaining. It’s prize fighting, that’s what people pay to see and he knew it. Short black trunks, old school black boots no socks. If he changed his colours each fight or wore jammers, tassels, or was covered in advertising he wouldn’t be as revered.
That being said being overrated can also mean you are beloved in a way. It’s a compliment at its heart. Lots of fighters are underrated because they just didn’t have all the things people want to pay to see.
So I do think as a prize fighter and an entertainer he was great. The excitement and intrigue he generated for the sport.
People wanted him to win. When he lost they’ve created a myth that he would have won if only…

You just proved elegantly that you are an ignorant halfwit, pal. Get your ass over to a sewing forum.

[BigBear]

The sentiments changed a bit over time, but he was once one of the most overrated fighters. It’s not saying he wasent very good, more of just how lofty so many people had him with the “prime” Tyson comments.
For perspective it was Mike Tyson who lost in one of if not the biggest upsets in history. It wasent anybody else, it was Tyson. That makes sense.
The cream rises to the top. Boxing is a never ending tournament. There’s a reason fighters and especially Tyson started to lose when he fought other guys who were forged in fire. Highlight reel KOs dont show up as often once you fight the best.
His skills are overrated. His head movement is more myth than mythical. His jab was never really a thing. Three, four, five punch combos were the reality compared to just plain slamming in with one twos. He was never a great inside fighter, nor did he want to be there. He’d often look to the ref to separate them and then try and slam in again with a one two. He cycled through his combos more than ever trying to set anything up or counter punch. He often became flat footed.
Of course I can say a pile of things that Mike did extremely well, but that’s often what’s been said enough. Everyone sees his old training videos and whistles, but it’s not the same. Ducking under an overhead line in the ring. Pivoting to different angles on a heavy bag.
He had style, power and a great look. He was entertaining. It’s prize fighting, that’s what people pay to see and he knew it. Short black trunks, old school black boots no socks. If he changed his colours each fight or wore jammers, tassels, or was covered in advertising he wouldn’t be as revered.
That being said being overrated can also mean you are beloved in a way. It’s a compliment at its heart. Lots of fighters are underrated because they just didn’t have all the things people want to pay to see.
So I do think as a prize fighter and an entertainer he was great. The excitement and intrigue he generated for the sport.
People wanted him to win. When he lost they’ve created a myth that he would have won if only…

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[Blond Beast]

You just proved elegantly that you are an ignorant halfwit, pal. Get your ass over to a sewing forum.

You meant to write “Eloquently” instead of “Elegantly” didn’t you? Be honest. Look them up, the use of either just clouds your retort. The sewing forum comment is certainly sad. The insults you used aren’t even tied to an offensive stereotypical reference or bias to sewing. That was a child like insult. You couldn’t have been smug typing that out surely? Maybe you were in a rush. Of course you were, you accidentally wrote “elegantly” right?
Go brag to whoever you can in person how you called someone an ignorant halfwit behind your keyboard and told them they need to go to a sewing forum. Show everyone how cool you are. Go ahead and try it you badass.

[Blond Beast]

What a casual hardcore Clay fan UK Lennox dick sucker or 70s era dick sucker OBVIOUSLY you say tyson is overrated but you sure rate non skilled glassy chinned Joe Frazier a super Joe over Tyson ali is most myth guys like Norton are mediocre fighters in reality

Speak slower next time you use Google translate.

[The Old LefHook]

You meant to write “Eloquently” instead of “Elegantly” didn’t you? Be honest. Look them up, the use of either just clouds your retort. The sewing forum comment is certainly sad. The insults you used aren’t even tied to an offensive stereotypical reference or bias to sewing. That was a child like insult. You couldn’t have been smug typing that out surely? Maybe you were in a rush. Of course you were, you accidentally wrote “elegantly” right?
Go brag to whoever you can in person how you called someone an ignorant halfwit behind your keyboard and told them they need to go to a sewing forum. Show everyone how cool you are. Go ahead and try it you badass.

No, I didn't churl wit. Only you would think that. I am sure you never heard of an elegant mathematical proof. You must think they meant eloquent. I gave you a minor beating. Don't turn it into a major one, boy.