ducks

[frankenfrank]

Larry Holmes ducked Greg Page in '83
Michael Spinks ducked Tony Tucker in '87 to take a more meaningful fight in Gerry Cooney.
James Toney was scared to fight Julian Jackson in '92, instead of unifying the belts, he moved up to 168 to faced Iran Barkley.

that was because he could not make 160 anymore , as was proven in his fights against tiberi , reggie johnson , etc.
and furthermore proven when later he could not even make 168 (the Roy Jones fight) and yet even later not even 175 (Thadzi fight).
Toney is one of the good examples of balooning in weight .

[Dynamite76]

Salvador Sanchez ducked Eusebio Pedroza(somewhat).

[Emon723]

I find this hard to believe. Where did you hear that from?

Toney used to say he didnt fought Jackson because of Don King, he called out Jackson in one of his victories, and the Hawk was quote as responding that "all we need is a contract, if he has the guts to fight me."

Although I agree there's no problem for Toney moving up because he could no longer really make the 160 pound limit. Toney-Jackson was one of those interesting fights at the middleweight during the 90s.

[Jim Jeffries]

Larry Holmes ducked Greg Page in '83
Michael Spinks ducked Tony Tucker in '87 to take a more meaningful fight in Gerry Cooney.
James Toney was scared to fight Julian Jackson in '92, instead of unifying the belts, he moved up to 168 to faced Iran Barkley.

I think Holmes ducked Michael Dokes and Gerrie Coetzee as well.

[mickey malone]

I think Holmes ducked Michael Dokes and Gerrie Coetzee as well.

And Pinklon Thomas..
Sonny Liston ducked Mac Foster too..

[cooper5]

I am not a fan of this topic, yes throughout history there have been fighters thst didn't want other fighters. Now days it is a regular thing that even certain superstars do.

But many "ducks" that are listed are not "ducks". All Fights that just did not happen are not ducks!
Often managers and promoters are often the duckers protecting their investment. But the names thrown around gets crazy and many times fights were not feasable or able to be made.

[sonnyboyx2]

And Pinklon Thomas..
Sonny Liston ducked Mac Foster too..

are you serious... Liston ducked no man, Mac Foster had not even made his pro debut when Liston was on the verge of retirement...what is wrong today malone, is your google broke down so your having to use your knowledge of the sport which is virtually nil

[donkim]

Sonny Liston ducked Mac Foster too..

No he didn't,Malone.That was "smokey" Joe frazier who ducked Mac foster.One of the many punchers frazier spent his entire career avoiding.

[mickey malone]

are you serious... Liston ducked no man, Mac Foster had not even made his pro debut when Liston was on the verge of retirement...what is wrong today malone, is your google broke down so your having to use your knowledge of the sport which is virtually nil

Firstly, congratulations on spoiling the peace once again.. My boxing knowledge isn't quite on the level of the industrial unit that harbors your 'fight collection'
But you should know by now that it spoils your dinner every time you tangle with me, so i'll give you a few facts to start off your indigestion..

Why you have to show yourself up, by coming out with the above untruth's is beyond me.. Sonny Liston didn't retire until 1970, and in 1968, Foster was on a run of 20 straight wins including KO's over Thad Spencer and Cleveland Williams.. Both fighters were from Liston's era, and Foster wanted to add Liston's name to that list, so he shouted for the fight to happen but Liston at this time, made himself unavailable and this was at least a year prior to his fight with Leotis Martin, which displays 2 gross exaggerations on your behalf..
Ok, at that stage of his career you can say, Liston had nothing to prove and could fight whoever he wants; so in that respect it wasn't a 'duck', more of a 'prefer not to,' shall we say?

When Mac couldn't get to Liston, Williams was brought in for a second time, and was KO'd once again..
As for Liston being on 'the verge of retirement,' he was having a bloody field-day, handily winning 7 in a row and a sturdy 'gatekeeper' for the division in 1968..
You certainly can't blame Foster for wanting him on his resume, can you?

[sonnyboyx2]

Firstly, congratulations on spoiling the peace once again.. My boxing knowledge isn't quite on the level of the industrial unit that harbors your 'fight collection'
But you should know by now that it spoils your dinner every time you tangle with me, so i'll give you a few facts to start off your indigestion..

Why you have to show yourself up, by coming out with the above untruth's is beyond me.. Sonny Liston didn't retire until 1970, and in 1968, Foster was on a run of 20 straight wins including KO's over Thad Spencer and Cleveland Williams.. Both fighters were from Liston's era, and Foster wanted to add Liston's name to that list, so he shouted for the fight to happen but Liston at this time, made himself unavailable and this was at least a year prior to his fight with Leotis Martin, which displays 2 gross exaggerations on your behalf..
Ok, at that stage of his career you can say, Liston had nothing to prove and could fight whoever he wants; so in that respect it wasn't a 'duck', more of a 'prefer not to,' shall we say?

When Mac couldn't get to Liston, Williams was brought in for a second time, and was KO'd once again..
As for Liston being on 'the verge of retirement,' he was having a bloody field-day, handily winning 7 in a row and a sturdy 'gatekeeper' for the division in 1968..
You certainly can't blame Foster for wanting him on his resume, can you?

where is the evidence of your claiming?... please produce a link

Mac Foster beat an old "Shot" Cleveland Williams twice in 1969 when Williams was nearly 37yrs old and was fighting with a couple of bullets lodged in his body.. He then got a fight with Jerry Quarry and was destroyed in 6rds.. i can never recall Sonny Liston being mooted as an opponent for Foster and i cannot accept that Liston would "DUCK" anyone.. its also widely accepted that Liston was in his early 40s by the time Leotis Martin KOd him... Mac Foster is vastly overated on this forum as being some kind of Sonny Liston incarnated.. yet the truth about Foster is that he virtually never fought outside his beloved California and the first time he ventured away from home he got destroyed in devastating fashion... Foster was similar to Peter"hurricane" McNeeley in that he built up an undefeated record in his hometown fighting cans and lost each time he fought an opponent rated above Class C