Prime **** Tiger vs Prime Jake Lamotta At 160lb

[sonnyboyx2]

The big risk for Tiger in this fight is if he were to be outworked because LaMotta will be throwing a lot more punches in combinations than Tiger. Otherwise the match-up should suit him stylistically. He was a very good counter-puncher and matches LaMotta's physical strength which the likes of Ray Robinson, Marcel Cerdan and Holman Williams could not.

Fullmer had to literally run against Tiger in order to survive. LaMotta won't do that but I doubt that a prime Jake would be KO'd by Tiger. He took it from a prime Ray Robinson, Lloyd Marshall, Bob Satterfield and laughed it off. Tiger's KO record is deceiving though, he knocked out many durable fighters. Didn't just stop them but knocked them out. So there will be a possibility of a stoppage win because LaMotta will walk right into Tiger which suits him but LaMotta was a better defensive fighter than the likes of Fullmer or Rivera who just stood there and took it for the most part, until Fullmer got on his bicycle.

I can't see a prime LaMotta being "massacred" the way he was against Robinson in their 6th fight because he always displayed very good stamina in the late rounds while at his best. Only his weight-making later got to him.

i would have to question you on your thought that LaMotta was physicaly to strong for Marcel Cerdan

[TheGreatA]

i would have to question you on your thought that LaMotta was physicaly to strong for Marcel Cerdan

Film proves it.

Cerdan was a former welterweight while LaMotta came down from light heavyweight. The results can be seen here:



Cerdan certainly no match for LaMotta in the strength category.

[sonnyboyx2]

Film proves it.

Cerdan was a former welterweight while LaMotta came down from light heavyweight. The results can be seen here:



Cerdan certainly no match for LaMotta in the strength category.

Cerdan was wrestled to the floor in the opening round and suffered a shoulder injury which forced his retirement in the 10th... i have quite a few Cerdan fights and would rate him as one of the strongest Middleweights ever.. take a look at his physique & strength against Randolph Turpin

[TheGreatA]

Cerdan was wrestled to the floor in the opening round and suffered a shoulder injury which forced his retirement in the 10th... i have quite a few Cerdan fights and would rate him as one of the strongest Middleweights ever.. take a look at his physique & strength against Randolph Turpin

You probably mean **** Turpin, Randy's brother. Cerdan was strong but not stronger than LaMotta. Why do you think LaMotta was able to wrestle Cerdan to the floor? He was bullying Cerdan with his strength, just like he did every opponent that tried to fight on the inside against him. LaMotta was too strong to be beaten in an infight, you had to box against him.

[sonnyboyx2]

[QUOTE=TheGreatA;7353507]You probably mean **** Turpin, Randy's brother. Cerdan was strong but not stronger than LaMotta. Why do you think LaMotta was able to wrestle Cerdan to the floor? He was bullying Cerdan with his strength, just like he did every opponent that tried to fight on the inside against him. LaMotta was too strong to be beaten in an infight, you had to box against him.[/QUOTE



http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=26605

LaMotta was bullying Cerdan because Cerdan was injured... LaMotta was a 5/1 dog for the return fight

[TheGreatA]

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=26605

LaMotta was bullying Cerdan because Cerdan was injured... LaMotta was a 5/1 dog for the return fight

Was Cerdan injured in the first couple of minutes of the fight? Because LaMotta was throwing him around the ring and treating him with no respect. Cerdan did injure himself, because he couldn't handle LaMotta's strength.

Cerdan by the way injured himself in every other fighter, including his fight against Holman Williams, but only in the LaMotta fight did his injury bother him. Boxers came into fights with injuries all the time then but only made excuses in losing.

Seems like the fight is mistakenly referred to as Marcel Cerdan fighting Randy Turpin. It was actually **** Turpin, Randy's older brother, who was fighting Cerdan. **** Turpin was a good British/European-level fighter but not as good as his brother.

[TheGreatA]

LaMotta being a 5 to 1 underdog against Cerdan in a rematch is another exaggeration on your part. Even in the first fight the odds were only 5 to 8 in favour of Cerdan. Surely they odds wouldn't be that much greater in a return bout considering that LaMotta had dominated and stopped the smaller Cerdan.

Newspapers also reported that boxing experts were evenly divided on who was going to win.

[TheGreatA]

According to this article the betting odds for a rematch favour LaMotta:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...1159%2C4547407

[sonnyboyx2]

LaMotta being a 5 to 1 underdog against Cerdan in a rematch is another exaggeration on your part. Even in the first fight the odds were only 5 to 8 in favour of Cerdan. Surely they odds wouldn't be that much greater in a return bout considering that LaMotta had dominated and stopped the smaller Cerdan.

Newspapers also reported that boxing experts were evenly divided on who was going to win.

its not an exageration on my part... i was told by an old friend that those was the odds.. you have proved him incorrect... are you saying that in your opinion LaMotta would have beaten Cerdan in their fight regardless of Cerdan injuring his shoulder in the opening minute?

it also says in your article there was very few clinches, which is not how you are trying to describe the fight...

[TheGreatA]

its not an exageration on my part... i was told by an old friend that those was the odds.. you have proved him incorrect... are you saying that in your opinion LaMotta would have beaten Cerdan in their fight regardless of Cerdan injuring his shoulder in the opening minute?

it also says in your article there was very few clinches, which is not how you are trying to describe the fight...

I believe LaMotta was in peak shape and too motivated for Cerdan to beat in that fight. LaMotta was very inconsistent but against Cerdan he was given a title shot he had tried to get for the past 7 years, so much that he actually took a dive against Billy Fox in order to get a chance. Cerdan on the other hand was getting older and was smaller.

I don't claim that there were many clinches, but LaMotta forced Cerdan to fight mostly in close, where LaMotta had the advantage over just about every middleweight who ever fought except perhaps **** Tiger.

Notice that LaMotta is battering Cerdan even while Marcel is not injured, so who is to say he couldn't have continued doing that for the next 15 rounds even if Cerdan hadn't injured his shoulder? And even if you think Cerdan would have beaten LaMotta, LaMotta certainly seemed to be the stronger of the two.