Bernard Hopkins Over Rated! any one agree?

[Dynamite Kid]

If DLH came in the same condition he fought Sturm in, Sims has a chance but still probably loses. If he came in the condition he fought Hopkins in, Sims doesn't win 4 rounds.

People can criticize Hopkins and say his longevity late in his career enhances his legacy more than it should be, but by the same token Duran's wins at LMW, MW enhance his legacy because of what he had done at the lower weights more so that than at those weights, it seems as though his losses at those particular weights are ignored he get exonerated because he can pull the odd win against Barkley/Moore.

oh wow, so you and some fans just made that excuse up, you dont really know what happened right?

i think it's more a case of if hopkins can't bully you he can't beat you, that's why he lost to taylor and probabley mitchell, that's why he stays down at the lower weights, smaller guys, he can sap the energy out of through clinching and just being all round bigger and stronger

lets also ignore that the hopkins-hoya fight was fixed

Nothing to do with the fact Hopkins was around 40 years old when he fought Taylor ? Hopkins lost to Taylor because Taylor was a lot younger, if that fight happens in Hopkins prime Taylor gets KTFO and you know that. Taylor beat Hopkins because Hopkins did/could not work at a pace due to his age. Taylor is capable of beating anyone if you dont test his stamina but look what happens when you do test his stamina, he get KTFO by lumbering B class fighters like Pavlik/Froch.

Question, what happens to Taylor when a prime Hopkins puts him under the kinda pressure he put Mercado, Glen Johnson under? he gets KTFO thats what happens.

[Obama]

oh wow, so you and some fans just made that excuse up, you dont really know what happened right?

i think it's more a case of if hopkins can't bully you he can't beat you, that's why he lost to taylor and probabley mitchell, that's why he stays down at the lower weights, smaller guys, he can sap the energy out of through clinching and just being all round bigger and stronger

lets also ignore that the hopkins-hoya fight was fixed

and glen johnson was simply just a good win back then, he literally lost to bums after that and fought nothing but bums beforehand, he was much better when he switched to his aggressive style

Sad. You clearly didn't watch Hopkins fight in the 90s or in the early 2000s. The man was never even known as a clincher in the 90s.

De La Hoya fight was fixed....ok. I see you are simply beyond reason.

Also, undefeated Glen Jonhson was better than the one who was losing to everyone in the SMW division afterward. 2004 Glen Johnson was better tho, I'll give you that.

[donkim]

Its okay being bigger but being bigger with inferior skills is what got Iran Barkley an ass whoopin against (blown up LW)Duran, Barkley was a very big MW to, possibly a natural LHW.

A complete and utter myth.Duran never came close to producing such a result.



It's highly questionable whether Duran deserved the decision in the first place.

He was over the hill when he fought Leonard, which is why Leonard chose to fight him at that time.

Hagler lost to a washed up,inactive welterweight who had spent his lengthy hiatus from the ring snorting *******.

[Dynamite Kid]

A complete and utter myth.Duran never came close to producing such a result.



It's highly questionable whether Duran deserved the decision in the first place.







Hagler lost to a washed up,inactive welterweight who had spent his lengthy hiatus from the ring snorting *******.

You could argue that. I have never scored the fight but it was a very close fight where by the nostalgia may have played a part in the decision.

I will score it next time i watch it.

[GJC]

Just a matter of where you rate him really, top ten atg MW is not over rating him, top 5 might be, top one definately is.
He is a great fighter and would set problems to any MW in history.

[THE REED]

I really just think it's who you talk to about him.

He's a lot better than some give him credit for, but his status isn't as high as other say it is.

Nonetheless, one of the best fighters of our era, no doubt.

[SplitSecond]

Sad. You clearly didn't watch Hopkins fight in the 90s or in the early 2000s. The man was never even known as a clincher in the 90s.

De La Hoya fight was fixed....ok. I see you are simply beyond reason.

Also, undefeated Glen Jonhson was better than the one who was losing to everyone in the SMW division afterward. 2004 Glen Johnson was better tho, I'll give you that.

are you that naive? that fight was clearly fixed

glen johnson was good when undefeated, but after losing to hopkins he suddenly became **** until moving up? clown clown clown, just shut the **** up

dynamite kid shut me up on alot of it, but you just prove your a clueless fan boy, maybe you should do some reasearch

the best thing about hopkins tho, is how his prime is when he's a clinching not near as much stamina as he used to have 38 year old man as oppossed to the version jones fought which was a hopkins too inexperienced to throw his head

[dagrtst]

lets also ignore that the hopkins-hoya fight was fixed

What gives you that idea?

[ironalex]

Totally disagree. If anything he's underrated.

[HaglerSteelChin]

Hagler fought the wrong fight with Duran he was way to cautious, his best rounds were went he started turning up the pressure in rounds 6,7,14 and 15. He was over the hill when he fought Leonard, which is why Leonard chose to fight him at that time.

Truer words couldn't be spoken and unlike what the infamous troll said SRL was in great shape, SRL is taller than hagler and they have the same reach at 74. I have hagler's fights the guy was begging SRL to fight him way before 1987. Leonard inactivity was paradoxically toward his benefit. Hagler fought some of the most grueling fights you ever will see between 1983 to 1986. He had the fight with DUran 1983 that lasted 15 rounds, a tough challenge by the heavy handed puncher Roldan in 1984, the war with Hearns in 1985, and John the F***** Beast Mugabi. Mugabi hit Hagler with such hard heavy body punches that Hagler was urinating blood a fact that of course the TROLL will leave out. SRL now ALL OF SUDDEN wants hagler. WHY? Hagler had slowed and was easy to counter. SRL even said "Mugabi made him miss but never made him pay for it...........I will." After the Roldan fight, hagler begged SRL to fight him but the time wasen't right. Leonard never would fight Hagler until he felt he had a chance.

SRL leonard was much more rusty with his fight with Kevin Howard where he suffered from his first KD. SRL in 1987 was older and it would be natural for his 5-10 frame to fight at MW. In addition, SRL got three stipulations the infamous TRoll would also not concede. 1) He got the fight to be 12RDS instead of 15, 2) the glove size was what SRL wanted, 3) he got the huge ring size so he could dance around and get on his bike. Of course, Hagler detractors as the infamous troll who contributes nothing to this forum will conveniently leave those FACTs out. But i will give him credit for calling me a cu*t and giving me Red with class.