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  • #11
    Originally posted by Dondi33O View Post
    I think you answered your own question. If you feel it necessary to "remind" a boxing fan then it obviously was not that great of a deal. Also Extra Gauze does not make a fighter "punch harder", your strength is your strength. It will do damage and most definitely break your face down but we all seen Tito had One punch power without a doubt.
    Also his first loss was to a living legend, a defensive specialist, at a heavier weight.
    His legacy is about as tainted as Hoyas when he was ordered to re-wrap.
    It wasn't just extra gauze. It was tape first, then gauze, then tape, then gauze, and so on. You're not allowed to put tape directly on the skin, BTW. That gave him more power. I'm not a boxing trainer so I won't get into the technicalities of it, but it did. So obviously it improved his punching ability.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Sugarr View Post
      It wasn't just extra gauze. It was tape first, then gauze, then tape, then gauze, and so on. You're not allowed to put tape directly on the skin, BTW. That gave him more power. I'm not a boxing trainer so I won't get into the technicalities of it, but it did. So obviously it improved his punching ability.
      Explain to me how any inanimate increases power.

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      • #13
        please, eat up

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Dondi33O View Post
          Explain to me how any inanimate increases power.
          Originally posted by Sugarr View Post
          It wasn't just extra gauze. It was tape first, then gauze, then tape, then gauze, and so on. You're not allowed to put tape directly on the skin, BTW. That gave him more power. I'm not a boxing trainer so I won't get into the technicalities of it, but it did. So obviously it improved his punching ability.
          Instead of me going into it, why don't we get the opinion of someone else? Say.. Trinidad's trainer/father?

          Don Felix was asked, "Do you think that the Hopkins camp did it (made them rewrap Tito's hand) to get to you psychologically?" and he answered, "Well, it got to us a little because, since I couldn’t place the tape that I usually place on Tito’s hand... I had to add some more gauze to make a type of pillow... This tends to take away some of the power in the punch."
          The part that's in red is him explaining how he wrapped the hand normally. He wasn't used to that.

          Here's another interesting piece of an article I found:

          Tito was made to remove his glove and the prior wrapping in front of Hopkins representative Naazim Richardson who noticed that the wrap looked very thick and when he felt it he says it was as hard as a rock. All the sudden it became very clear why they had tried to get away with wrapping the left hand without anyone from the Hopkins camp watching and also why they didn't want to remove it and rewrap the hand.


          Don Felix began to rewrap the hand again, but Richardson noticed that Don Felix was putting layers of tape and then gauze, tape and then gauze, tape and then gauze which is not in accordance with NYSAC rules. The rules stipulate tape cannot be applied directly over the knuckles, and that repeating the process several times (is not permitted).

          In an interview with Bernard Fernandez of Philly.com, Hopkins said, "If you put on tape, then gauze, then tape, then gauze, it's like a [plaster] cast. It's like being hit with a baseball bat. I'm giving out some secrets here, but you can dip your hands in ice water and that tape will, like, marinate and become harder. But it's only cheating if you get caught.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Sugarr View Post
            Instead of me going into it, why don't we get the opinion of someone else? Say.. Trinidad's trainer/father?



            The part that's in red is him explaining how he wrapped the hand normally. He wasn't used to that.

            Here's another interesting piece of an article I found:
            Ok then ....No it will not affect Trinidad's Legacy.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by Sugarr View Post
              I know.. what's your point? The point I'm trying to make is that it gave him a lot more power and the question is whether or not that hurts his legacy.

              He was hurt and knocked down twice by Segundo Mercado, in their first fight. Trinidad is a lot better than Mercado.. right?

              What are the assumptions I made? I've only given facts.
              saying that he couldn't hurt hopkins because he didn't have extra tape and cotton in his hands is a big assumption. those aren't facts, and pardon me, but you're a huge moron if you don't know the difference between a fact and what you're saying

              tito is better than mercado because of his resume and achievements, not because of what happened to each guy in their match against hopkins. santos was able to hurt in the 1st round margarito. he even beat him. that doesn't make him a better fighter than cotto, whom was unable to hurt and beat margarito

              let me know when you decide to stop using half assed "logic". if you just can't help it, then it's ok man, but i don't plan to lower my IQ any longer by reading and replying to the stupid ASSUMPTIONS that you're posting in this failure of a thread

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Sugarr View Post
                Instead of me going into it, why don't we get the opinion of someone else? Say.. Trinidad's trainer/father?



                The part that's in red is him explaining how he wrapped the hand normally. He wasn't used to that.

                Here's another interesting piece of an article I found:
                you forgot to add this part:

                To me, Trindad's situation was much, much different than Margarito's. What Trindad did was actually legal in some places. It just wasn't legal in New York. I had the rulebook with me right there in my hand.

                The Ring: How was Trinidad different than Margarito?

                NR: Trinidad was an abrasion against the rules. Margarito downright had a weapon. There is a difference when you say you're playing chess and have your men lined up differently, as opposed to having extra men on the board. Margarito tried to bring extra men. He had a knuckle pad. Margarito had a strip over the back of his hand, around his thumb and wrist. They told me it was because of a previous injury was why they wrapped it that way. One look and you could tell it wasn't right.

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                • #18
                  It did ruin Tito's legacy. see, Tito, Margarito, and Resto are the three stooges

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by pactard99 View Post
                    It did ruin Tito's legacy. see, Tito, Margarito, and Resto are the three stooges
                    resto had plaster and removed padding

                    margarito has plaster pads

                    trinidad had tape and cotton

                    EDIT: oh wait... i get it. sorry, i should've looked at your username before replying
                    Last edited by fdotorres; 12-17-2009, 12:55 AM.

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                    • #20
                      ANSWER: NO, It won't hurt his legacy!!!!

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