Roberto Duran Proves The Douters Wrong......

[Calilloyd]

1- I don't think Duran is the greatest latin fighter as some do, but people must be on crack if they think he is overrated. Duran was 72-1 as a lightweight which alone merits BHOF contention. The Buchanan fight was a mistake by the ref, he could have given Ken 5 minutes and take a point away. But Duran WAS CLEARLY winning that fight against the bigger man.

That was a competitive fight. Duran probably would have won it anyway, but he was not dominating Buchanan.




2- His fight with Leonard showed his heart. He moved up 2 weight divisions to fight Leonard. SRL thought he didn't have the power in the heavier division to beat him, so SRL brawled instead of boxed him, i had Duran winning by 1 point. Duran remained the only fighter to beat SRL in his prime.

He really didn't move up two weight classes to fight Leonard. Duran had already defeated Carlos Monzon in a welterweight fight and had been fighting as a welterweight for two years before taking on Leonard. Duran moved up because he could no longer make 135.



3- Duran cleary outboxed Hagler, and fought with an injured right hand. Hagler did enough to keep his title, i had it a draw. Not bad, for a lightweight to take one of the greatest natural middlweights to the max. BTW, Duran was the ONLY fighter that hagler didn't KO in his 12 defenses of his title. The first Antefuermo fight dosen't count as it was a draw and his disputed lost to SRL leonard. Hearns had an incredible reach advantage over Duran and Duran had just fought a slugfest with Hagler and went down in weight to fight Hearns at Jr Middle. Not taking away from Hearns, but it was fight that Hearns should have won.

That really doesn't make sense. Duran could not have clearly outboxed Hagler if he was in a slugfest with him. There was no clear outboxing of Hagler in that fight. Duran fought well but he tired in the later rounds and Hagler took over down the stretch.





4-Duran was champ in 4 weight classes something that was rare at the time. I will say he is not the greatest latin fighter as some think; i believe Monzon, Sanchez, and its close between him and Aguello might be better, but he definitely is one of the best.

Sanchez was not around long enough to be considered better than Duran. we will never know how well Sanchez would have done had he moved up in weight like Duran did. With Duran, he actually did it and there's no speculating there. I don't think it's close betweeen Duran and Arguello.

[Calilloyd]

That's some weird scoring there. You had the Leonard fight only one point apart but then had the Hagler fight a draw? Duran won the Leonard fight pretty damn convincingly, but lost the Hagler fight also quite convincingly, though he still certainly did very well early on.

It was a very close competitve fight. I have noticed as the years go by some will rewrite history as if Duran dominated Leonard all night and if you rewatch the fight that was not the case. The fight ended in a majority decision for Duran. I had him winning but it was close and competitive to the end.

[HaglerSteelChin]

Sanchez was not around long enough to be considered better than Duran. we will never know how well Sanchez would have done had he moved up in weight like Duran did. With Duran, he actually did it and there's no speculating there. I don't think it's close betweeen Duran and Arguello.

Long enough to know he was a better techinical boxer than Duran ever was. Duran was outboxed by WIlfred Benitez, that wouldnt have had happened with Sanchez. Sanchez died young but in like 46 fights we see a guy who studied his opponent and can assimilate to any style, the same can't be said about Duran who was great but couldn't fight a Plan B with SRL in their 2nd fight hence, NO MAS. Sanchez beat Danny Lopez, Juan laporte, Wilfredo Gomez, and Azulmah Nelson in his young career. Nelson's loss to Sanchez was his only lost for like 7 years until Sweet pea beat him. It is controversial to rate someone high in a short career, but he had 46 fights. Sandy Koufax didn't play long, but his short dominance is still enough for some to say he is one of the greatest pitchers and even a Rapper like BIggie who died after a short career is also considered one of the greatest.

Arguello was champ in 3 weight classes and lost a brawl to Pryor was invincible at 140, and even SRL never fought him. Even Roberto Duran puts the "flaco" in his level and puts him as one of the greatest latin fighters, so perhaps Duran's opinion holds a little more weight than a poster in a boxing forum claiming "its not close."

As far the Duran-Buchanan, i said he was clearly winning, Never used the word DOMINATE, so i am not sure why you threw that in?

I meant to say that he won his 2nd title up weight classes from his lightweight crown, yes he did fight as a WW before SRL, and even once as a junior Middlweight. Please forgive me as I forgive you for confusing Carlos Palomino with Carlos Monzon. Monzon never fought as a WW with Duran, he was a MW champ.

The Duran-hagler fight started as a boxing match, and Duran won most of the early rounds, and than lost most of the middle rounds, and he took 3 out of the last 5rds in my book with a second wind. After round 12 you can hear his corner screaming at hagler to stop fighting his fight. In 15 rounds, you have twists and turns, what started out a boxing match became a slugfest in the late rounds. Hagler often would fight orthodox due to being exploited with the right hand in his southpaw stance. He pretty much admitted it after the fight. He said to larry merchant, " Duran was very expeirenced he suckered me in with the right hand.......but i think i learn alot from him in this fight and next time you see a better marvin hagler."

[Calilloyd]

[QUOTE=HaglerSteelChin;6840266]Long enough to know he was a better techinical boxer than Duran ever was. Duran was outboxed by WIlfred Benitez, that wouldnt have had happened with Sanchez.


That's speculation because Sanchez never moved 19 pounds up in weight. Sanchez was nearly beaten by Azumah Nelson who only had about 14 pro fights at the time. Sanchez was not unbeatable. His death has made him become bigger than he actually was. He showed great skills and promise but who's to say a fighter like Whitaker or Benitez would not have schooled him had he moved up in weight like Duran?

[BennyST]

Duran was winning the first fight with SRL 8 to 6, but he gave away the last round simply dancing around and showing his defensive skills. Two of the three judges who scored the Hagler-Duran fight had Hagler winning by only one point. Right off the bat I had Duran winning alot of the early rounds by counterpunching with the right hand. I also think he won rounds 11,12, and 13. Rd 11 Hagler took the round off which he admitted to Larry merchant. Round 12 was the best round in the right and hagler's eye was cut and duran landed the better blows. Rd13 was close but i think Duran's ring generalship carred it, Halger feeling desperate did win the last two rounds. Regardless, Hager did earn to keep his title, but i had the fight 7-7-1, i scored an early round even 10-10.

Cool.

[BennyST]

It was a very close competitve fight. I have noticed as the years go by some will rewrite history as if Duran dominated Leonard all night and if you rewatch the fight that was not the case. The fight ended in a majority decision for Duran. I had him winning but it was close and competitive to the end.

I'm not saying it wasn't close. I'm saying it was a close but very clear victory for Duran still. I've often heard some people say they think Leonard won it somehow. No matter how you score a fight, Leonard could not have ever won that one. He missed all night, got hit a lot more than ever before, got hurt a couple of times, etc etc. So, while I know it was close, there is no way it could have been anything other than a clear victory for Duran still.

Close but clear. You could make a case that Duran did dominate by simply winning most of the rounds, even though they were always close. Leonard really only won a couple of rounds clearly, whereas Duran won many more quite clearly.

You know what I mean?

[BennyST]

Sanchez was not around long enough to be considered better than Duran. we will never know how well Sanchez would have done had he moved up in weight like Duran did. With Duran, he actually did it and there's no speculating there. I don't think it's close betweeen Duran and Arguello.

Couldn't figure out how to quote the rest of your post, but, I agree the Barkley fight as very close and could easily have gone either way. The knock down did seal it.

Buchanan was very clearly losing that fight man. He was knocked down, hurt often, and didn't win a single round clearly. He was getting as close to dominated as you could do against Buchanan. It wasn't that competitive.

It was Palomino, not Carlos Monzon.

I do agree with the rest though.

[Thread Stealer]

I thought Duran beat Barkley fairly, 115-112, but clearly lost to Hagler. I gave Hagler 10 rounds and have no idea why the judges had it so close.

Duran was clearly beating Buchanan but the way the fight ended was simply not right and Ken deserved a rematch. He blamed Duran's management (Eleta), not Duran himself, for not getting one.

[BennyST]

I thought Duran beat Barkley fairly, 115-112, but clearly lost to Hagler. I gave Hagler 10 rounds and have no idea why the judges had it so close.

Duran was clearly beating Buchanan but the way the fight ended was simply not right and Ken deserved a rematch. He blamed Duran's management (Eleta), not Duran himself, for not getting one.

That's basically how I had things too for all those fights.

Though, if I remember correctly, I only had Duran winning the Barkley fight because of the KD.

[princemanzpopa]

Even with the knockdown it shouldn't have been enough.Duran lost the vast majority of the early to mid rounds and only took the first and last three decisively.Had this been any other fighter who didn't have a bunch of idiots in the audience chanting their name throughout,then it would have been called a robbery.

A great champ like Iran Barkley didn't deserve this injustice.