How would the following fighters do.....

**RightCross94** · 11-23-2009, 06:19 AM

You don't need to discuss every fighter, just take a few names that interest you if you want. I just tried to throw in different styles, different weights, different eras, to make it as interesting as possible.

**Spartacus Sully** · 11-23-2009, 06:45 AM

i think if tunney and langford were in the Super 6 tourny it would be grossly unfair to the other competitors .

**dans** · 11-23-2009, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by RightCross94

In today's era against the current group of fighters (as in would they be contenders, alphabet champs, dominant etc)

(Note: Due to added weight classes, changes in weigh in rules etc, I've put some fighters in different divisions where I think they would fit in best today)

Floyd Patterson: 175 lbs

Benny Leonard: 130 lbs

Harry Greb: 154 lbs

Sam Langford: 168 lbs

Joe Gans: 126 lbs

Gene Tunney: 168 lbs

Jack Dempsey: 175 lbs

Charley Burley: 147 lbs

Jimmy Wilde: 108 lbs (I would have said 105, but I would like to see him vs Calderon)

Joe Louis: 200+ lbs (Could have made 200, but obviously debate about him at HW is more interesting)

Jimmy Wilde's style does not translate to modern day boxing. Keeping your hands down like that gets you in trouble too much nowadays.

I think Joe Louis is a star at HW in any era.

I don't think Floyd Patterson is nearly as successful in modern times.

**RightCross94** · 11-23-2009, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by dans01234

Jimmy Wilde's style does not translate to modern day boxing. Keeping your hands down like that gets you in trouble too much nowadays.

I think Joe Louis is a star at HW in any era.

I don't think Floyd Patterson is nearly as successful in modern times.

It's not so much that, I just think Ivan is too slick for a puncher like Wilde.

I think Joe would do well today too, but I was hoping to get someone in who thinks Wlad or Vitali would KO him.

Patterson I think would blitz 175 today. His chin wouldn't be nearly so much a problem fighting guys his own size and he'd just be way too fast and powerful for guys like old Roy, Tarver....I think he'd absolutely flatten Dawson

**1SILVA** · 11-23-2009, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by RightCross94

In today's era against the current group of fighters (as in would they be contenders, alphabet champs, dominant etc)

(Note: Due to added weight classes, changes in weigh in rules etc, I've put some fighters in different divisions where I think they would fit in best today)

Floyd Patterson: 175 lbs

Benny Leonard: 130 lbs

Harry Greb: 154 lbs

Sam Langford: 168 lbs

Joe Gans: 126 lbs

Gene Tunney: 168 lbs

Jack Dempsey: 175 lbs

Charley Burley: 147 lbs

Jimmy Wilde: 108 lbs (I would have said 105, but I would like to see him vs Calderon)

Joe Louis: 200+ lbs (Could have made 200, but obviously debate about him at HW is more interesting)

Benny Leonard would dominate 135 pounders today and Patterson would be 175 pound king today as well

**GJC** · 11-23-2009, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by RightCross94

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Harry Greb[/B]: 154 lbs
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Why Greb at Light Middle Right, height thing?
I think Greb might be a bit weight drained to be honest.
I'd fancy Greb to clear out the middles and if we are just going on current fighters and not active guys at their primes i'd fancy him to clear out the LHW's too. Make that point because RJJ at prime might prove a problem!
Big problem Greb would have is he would either have to clean up his act or need Stevie Wonder reffing as he was as dirty as f.uck and would get DQ'd after about 30 seconds these days.

**TheGreatA** · 11-23-2009, 07:16 PM

No doubt in my mind that Patterson would dominate at 175. This is not to take anything away from Dawson, Cloud, Pascal but I rate Patterson's abilities as a light heavyweight very highly. He could have possibly made 160 and 168 early on much like Roy Jones did. He would run into problems as a heavyweight with the Klitschko brothers reigning.

Outside of Patterson I haven't seen extensive footage of any of these fighters except Dempsey and Tunney.

**RightCross94** · 11-23-2009, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by TheGreatA

No doubt in my mind that Patterson would dominate at 175. This is not to take anything away from Dawson, Cloud, Pascal but I rate Patterson's abilities as a light heavyweight very highly. He could have possibly made 160 and 168 early on much like Roy Jones did. He would run into problems as a heavyweight with the Klitschko brothers reigning.

Outside of Patterson I haven't seen extensive footage of any of these fighters except Dempsey and Tunney.

Well he took olympic gold at 165 didnt he? So possibly.

Why didn't Patterson stay at light heavyweight, he never should have been fighting as a HW. More money at HW I suppose, but still he would have been one of the greatest ever at 175 imo.

**TheGreatA** · 11-23-2009, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by RightCross94

Well he took olympic gold at 165 didnt he? So possibly.

Why didn't Patterson stay at light heavyweight, he never should have been fighting as a HW. More money at HW I suppose, but still he would have been one of the greatest ever at 175 imo.

There wasn't much for him to do at 175. D'Amato always wanted him to be the heavyweight champ, even when he was just a middleweight in the amateurs. That's where the money was at. He disposed of the aging but still competent LHW champ Archie Moore rather easily although that wasn't one of Moore's better nights.

Aside from Moore there was only Harold Johnson at 175 lbs and that would've been an interesting fight which never happened either at LHW or HW.

Unfortunately for Floyd, the 180-190 lb heavyweight (Marciano, Charles, Walcott) was quickly beginning to change into the 210 lb heavyweight in the mold of Sonny Liston and Muhammad Ali. He still held his own against much bigger men like Bonavena and Chuvalo.

How would the following fighters do.....