Manny Pacquiao

[GJC]

Hats off to Pacquiao on a fine achievement winning at the 7th weight.

Anyone have any theories on how many weights a fighter could win a title at.
I guess one should look at the fact that Pacman started at straw I believe so it is not beyond the realms of possibility that 9 is in range.

And how do we rate his achievement with say Armstrong's 3 at the same time in the one sanctioning body era at old 8 weights?

Any thoughts on this gents?

[Stoppage]

I bet about 80% of my points on Cotto.. wasn't a good idea.

Pacquiao said that he wasn't gonna move up another weight class because he would be too small. I agree with that.

His achievements are dead close to Armstrong's. I don't really know what to say, at this point.

[GJC]

I bet about 80% of my points on Cotto.. wasn't a good idea.

Pacquiao said that he wasn't gonna move up another weight class because he would be too small. I agree with that.

His achievements are dead close to Armstrong's. I don't really know what to say, at this point.

Ouch on the points, I had a fancy for Pac but not an 80% fancy.
It is always hard to judge these kind of fights though because at some point a fighter is going to go a weight too far.
I agree I think even old farts like me should acknowledge this achievement, by all means take into account weigh in times, junior and alphabet titles but 7 is a magnificent achievement.

[StarshipTrooper]

Hats off to Pacquiao on a fine achievement winning at the 7th weight.

Anyone have any theories on how many weights a fighter could win a title at.
I guess one should look at the fact that Pacman started at straw I believe so it is not beyond the realms of possibility that 9 is in range.

And how do we rate his achievement with say Armstrong's 3 at the same time in the one sanctioning body era at old 8 weights?

Any thoughts on this gents?

I don't put much stock in belt grabbing really. Armstrong's was a singular achievement because he held those three belts simultaniously. That being said, Pacquiao is clearly an ATG fighter: I've said so for the past two years and last night just confirms it. Now exactly WHERE he ranks among ATGs is best left for when Manny slips into past-prime since his story isn't finished yet and he has some more in-prime fights left which will go a long way to determining exactly where he belongs.

Poet

[GJC]

I don't put much stock in belt grabbing really. Armstrong's was a singular achievement because he held those three belts simultaniously. That being said, Pacquiao is clearly an ATG fighter: I've said so for the past two years and last night just confirms it. Now exactly WHERE he ranks among ATGs is best left for when Manny slips into past-prime since his story isn't finished yet and he has some more in-prime fights left which will go a long way to determining exactly where he belongs.

Poet

It's swings and roundabouts really, the bodies don't allow for Armstrong's achievement to be repeated and Armstrong and his era didn't have the same opportunities to belt grab.
Pretty much got to be a latin or asian fighter to go beyond 7 you think?

Roll on Mayweather v Pacman though it would be ironic if Pacquiao now ducked him, PBF needs the fight for his place in history far more than Pacman.

[StarshipTrooper]

It's swings and roundabouts really, the bodies don't allow for Armstrong's achievement to be repeated and Armstrong and his era didn't have the same opportunities to belt grab.
Pretty much got to be a latin or asian fighter to go beyond 7 you think?

Roll on Mayweather v Pacman though it would be ironic if Pacquiao now ducked him, PBF needs the fight for his place in history far more than Pacman.

Yeah, the proliferation of weight classes and sanctioning bodies have really cheapend titles and watered down what it means to be a "champion".

I serious doubt Pacquiao would "duck" Floyd: Most likely it would be the other way around as Manny has shown a willingness to take on anyone while Mayweather has shown himself to more interested in fighting opponents who pose no risk.

Poet

[BKM-]

It is a wonderful achievement indeed. I would have to say that if he fights 2 more times, with those 2 fights being against Mayweather and Marquez, and he wins both convincingly and then retires..I would be speechless.

[Stoppage]

What should also be taken into serious consideration is how they won their titles.

Armstrong won the featherweight, jumped up two weight classes to get the welterweight and then came back down to grab the lightweight. All of this was done by weighing from 125-135. Only 10 pounds and he conquered three divisions, when there was only eight.

The manner in which Pacquiao has won most of his titles have been in a very dominating fashion. I've never seen another fighter do what he did to the likes of Barrera, Hatton and Cotto. He truly dominated them in brutal fashion.

[GJC]

It is a wonderful achievement indeed. I would have to say that if he fights 2 more times, with those 2 fights being against Mayweather and Marquez, and he wins both convincingly and then retires..I would be speechless.

The manner in which Pacquiao has won most of his titles have been in a very dominating fashion. I've never seen another fighter do what he did to the likes of Barrera, Hatton and Cotto. He truly dominated them in brutal fashion.

He really is a marvelous fighter and we should enjoy him for as long as he keeps going but I think 2 fights and call it a day would be a very sensible course. It just goes to show that having an 0 on your record isn't the be all and end all.

[GJC]

Yeah, the proliferation of weight classes and sanctioning bodies have really cheapend titles and watered down what it means to be a "champion".

For sure, it especially irritates us junior posters
That said you can't penalise Pac's achievement for the advantages of the day.
But I think it equates more to 3 possibly 4 under old school 8 but still not too shabby.