Was Holyfield on roids in the first tyson fight?

[Squirrel]

Yeah, Toneys injury rings a bell actually.

Never heard of the Vargas issue, i must be pretty out of touch.

Medicinal EPO is a performance-enhancer, which many would stick under the umbrella term "steroid".

[1SILVA]

Holyfield i've heard of, and believe.

Roy Jones didn't; he took an over the counter substance that causes you to test positive for certain enhancers. Much the same was prescribed cough medicines test positive for opiates, and ibuprofen makes you positive for cannibis.

Toney i've heard of and can believe.

Sahen Mosley admitted it, so yeah.

ODLH, never heard of him takingthem, can't really see it tbh.

Vargas, never heard anything to do with him and steroids.

VK tested positive and admitted use, never heard of Wlad using them but sometimes I have my doubts about him.

Tyson, no way, no evidence, nothing about him says steroids, and why the hell would TYSON of all people use them?

The reason I mentioned Tyson was because in the Peter McNeeley fight, he looked more ripped than ever.

[SplitSecond]

steroids nowadays is somewhat impossible to actually track, all we know is that holyfield was a patient being prescribed some stuff from a pharmacy known for giving athelets illegal steroids

[Squirrel]

That is true, I did hear he trained his ass off for it though, like, winding the clock back years.

"Steroids" is such an umbrella term that people regurgitate so readily, looking muscular, vascular and cut-up doesnt inherently mean youre on performance enhancers.

Some bodybuilders may well take chemicals to increase muscle mass, vascularity etc.

Some fighters may take substances to increase their endurance, reduce pain feedback loops, increase ATP delivery to tissue etc. All characteristics that arent really measurable from a persons physique directly.

[BKM-]

I heard Tyson took care of a small boxing gym in prison, and indeed his dieet changed drastically. In prison is also when he first started lifting weights, and he already had years and years of muscle memory by the time he got out. It's not that hard to believe that a man in this situation can look like he did at the McNeeley fight in a short period of time. He always had that large frame and with his genetics and circumstances he could add muscle rather quickly like that.

Holyfield on the other hand doesn't have that frame naturally. Just look at his legs compared to his upper body. On the other hand he had the most advanced training available at the time so I can believe with his work ethic he could achieve it naturally.

[BKM-]

Some pictures can help in this thread I thought. First Tyson fight:





I remember his grotesque looking traps.


mama done raised a fool

[TheGreatA]

This is off-topic but I found it interesting that Holyfield would defend Tyson in such a way:

"People don't want to tell the truth about the things that they see, but I'm going to tell you the truth about what's really going on with Mike Tyson," Holyfield, 47, a noted straight shooter, told FanHouse on Thursday night. He also is boxing's only four-time heavyweight champion, and he captured one of those titles after his first fight with Tyson in November 1996 before their rematch seven months later in Eargate.

"When Mike went to jail (for **** for three years through March 1995) and came back as a ******, he understood what it took to be a ******. He knew he couldn't curse and do all of these things. So when he came back, he told people, 'I don't want to talk about my past. I paid my debt to society, and I don't want to talk about the past or the girl (that he was convicted of raping).'"

Holyfield raised his voice in disgust, saying, "But these reporters just kept trying to stick him, because just they kept asking him, 'What about this? What about that.' They kept doing this until they could get him upset. They did it on purpose. They just kept saying these smart things to him and all of this. They kept prodding and prodding until he went off and started cursing, and then the attitude (among reporters and society) was, 'Now, see there. I told you he ain't changed.'

Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield"They didn't want him to change, because there wouldn't be anything to write about or to talk about. The whole big thing is that people still want to agitate him, because they don't want him to be different. Everybody hates for a bad guy to become good. It is like they keep saying, 'You ain't going to treat us this way. You've been bad all this time, and now you want to be good? We're not going to let you.'

"People agitate him on purpose, but given the way that he was brought up, he can't see it, and he just don't know any better."

"When you welcome people like I do and talk to them, it don't excite (the paparazzi) as much," said Holyfield, whose smile always is seconds away. "They want somebody that really don't want to take a picture. This is what they do, and they get a lot of money for getting that one picture.

"But it's also like this: At some point in time, when you weren't a star, you wanted somebody to take your picture. So once you're a celebrity, you can't be a celebrity some time and not the whole time. It may be uncomfortable to have all these people in your face, but this is why you get paid a little bit more money than a lot of people, because of your popularity."

http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2009/11/13/evander-holyfield-rightfully-swings-to-mike-tysons-defense/

Wise words from Holyfield.

[1SILVA]

This is off-topic but I found it interesting that Holyfield would defend Tyson in such a way:

"People don't want to tell the truth about the things that they see, but I'm going to tell you the truth about what's really going on with Mike Tyson," Holyfield, 47, a noted straight shooter, told FanHouse on Thursday night. He also is boxing's only four-time heavyweight champion, and he captured one of those titles after his first fight with Tyson in November 1996 before their rematch seven months later in Eargate.

"When Mike went to jail (for **** for three years through March 1995) and came back as a ******, he understood what it took to be a ******. He knew he couldn't curse and do all of these things. So when he came back, he told people, 'I don't want to talk about my past. I paid my debt to society, and I don't want to talk about the past or the girl (that he was convicted of raping).'"

Holyfield raised his voice in disgust, saying, "But these reporters just kept trying to stick him, because just they kept asking him, 'What about this? What about that.' They kept doing this until they could get him upset. They did it on purpose. They just kept saying these smart things to him and all of this. They kept prodding and prodding until he went off and started cursing, and then the attitude (among reporters and society) was, 'Now, see there. I told you he ain't changed.'

Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield"They didn't want him to change, because there wouldn't be anything to write about or to talk about. The whole big thing is that people still want to agitate him, because they don't want him to be different. Everybody hates for a bad guy to become good. It is like they keep saying, 'You ain't going to treat us this way. You've been bad all this time, and now you want to be good? We're not going to let you.'

"People agitate him on purpose, but given the way that he was brought up, he can't see it, and he just don't know any better."

"When you welcome people like I do and talk to them, it don't excite (the paparazzi) as much," said Holyfield, whose smile always is seconds away. "They want somebody that really don't want to take a picture. This is what they do, and they get a lot of money for getting that one picture.

"But it's also like this: At some point in time, when you weren't a star, you wanted somebody to take your picture. So once you're a celebrity, you can't be a celebrity some time and not the whole time. It may be uncomfortable to have all these people in your face, but this is why you get paid a little bit more money than a lot of people, because of your popularity."

http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2009/11/13/evander-holyfield-rightfully-swings-to-mike-tysons-defense/

Wise words from Holyfield.

Great post

[Stoppage]

There's no proof but I wouldn't doubt it.

[Adamantium]

Toney took roids to recover from an injury.

Mosley admitted to using EPO, not roids. He admits that he MAY have taken roids, unknowingly. He never asked the guy who was shooting him with needles if the stuff was legal. And yes, plenty of legal things are injected with needles.

Vargas was on roids for the DLH fight, tested positive for them.

Toney has tested positive twice against Ruiz and Danny Batchelder.

Mosely took THG and EPO, he knew full well what he was doing as well. No way did he belive he was only taking vitamins. His testimony is online for further proof.

As for Holyfield I believe his been using various forms of peds from at least the first Moorer fight.Dr. Margaret Goodman, now the chief ringside physician for the Nevada State Athletic Commission, told the SI reporters that back in 1994, when Holyfield evinced evidence of a heart defect follwing his loss to Michael Moorer, commission doctors believed the malady to be consistent with HGH use, but since Holyfield denied having used the substance they could not pursue the theory.
I believe he was definately on something for both Tyson fights.

we also have the whole Evan Fields story:

http://stanford.wellsphere.com/general-medicine-article/evander-holyfield-gets-a-pass/440989