Marciano one mans opinion

[tommyhearns804]

Kid the get the hell out of here.Number one Marciano isnt Holyfield.Holyfield had boxing skills.Foreman couldnt knock him out because he was 42 years old.Holyfield made a living fight black 220 pound black guys.Maricano made a living fighting moslty 150 to 190 pound white guys.
Number 2 Joe Louis was overrated.And just becuase he said he couldnt beat Marciano in his prime means what?Louis was only 200 pounds himself and had a glass chin.And Louis said in the late 70's that Foreman was the best heavyweight he ever seen.And Ali never said Marciano was tough at 45.And if he did it was to be nice.Marciano is white.If Ali bad mouthed a white fighter like Marciano the press would of ripped him.Ali also said besides himself Foreman was the best fighter he seen.Archie Moore said Durelle hit way harder than Marciano did.
This is continued from the second thing.Holyfield fought world class black fighters who were in their primes who weighed 220 pounds.How many world class fighters Rocky fought in his prime period?Zero.A washed up Joe Louis a old Archie Moore a old washed up and overrated Walcott a small past his prime Charles.So based on that you are trying to compare him to Holyfield?And then you bring up James Toney?Who in the hell did Toney beat who was a heavyweight?Holyfield=Cruiserweight.Booker=Cruiser weight bum=Ruiz=Cruiserweight bum.
As i said before Marciano was unskilled.He was slow as hell.He couldnt box at all.He came forward looking for the ko.Sure it worked against little bums but did he ever show he could beat any real true 220 pound plus heavyweights?Hell no.The only reason we are talking about Marciano is because he is white.Micheal Moorer was a vicious puncher at 175 pounds and was never knocked down at that weight but as he went up his punching power decreased just like every other fighter who moved up.So why would you think Marciano would continue to be effective?Bob Foster was a vicious puncher at light heavyweight but was he anything special at heavyweight?But since Marciano is white he could do something no other fighter in boxing history could do right?Marciano struggled to beat every black fighter he faced no matter how old or washed up he was.But because in your little mind he could beat guys like Lewis or Bowe he could right?There is no point in trying to get you to comprehend logic so why even bother anymore.

[Imira]

He didn't have the desire to fight Ali again or prove himself.

Hold on ricecispi. You've got something backwards. It was ALI who refused to fight Foreman a second time. Foreman would have killed himself to get a rematch against Ali. That's why he fought the 5 round exhibition in Toronto and challenged, Ron Lyle, Joe Frazier and Jimmy Young. He did want a rematch with Ali. Ali, for some unknown reason, did not give him a rematch.

You pick the biggest baddest puncher and say he is unbeatable. We'll he has a flaw and that was he couldn't go pass 8 rounds and win in his prime.

Again, you're wrong. Before he fought Ali, he did go the distance and won the decision against Peralta, Forte and another fighter, I can't think of his name right now. His fights against Ali and Young had less to do with his stamina and more to do with the fact that he fought the wrong fight against Young and Ali could take his punch better than any of his other opponents.

[ricecrispi]

Hold on ricecispi. You've got something backwards. It was ALI who refused to fight Foreman a second time. Foreman would have killed himself to get a rematch against Ali. That's why he fought the 5 round exhibition in Toronto and challenged, Ron Lyle, Joe Frazier and Jimmy Young. He did want a rematch with Ali. Ali, for some unknown reason, did not give him a rematch.

Again, you're wrong. Before he fought Ali, he did go the distance and won the decision against Peralta, Forte and another fighter, I can't think of his name right now. His fights against Ali and Young had less to do with his stamina and more to do with the fact that he fought the wrong fight against Young and Ali could take his punch better than any of his other opponents.

1.) Foreman didn't want one or asked and Ali never gave him one anyways. Foreman took those series of fights to prove to himself he was tough. You ever watch Beyond the Glory for Fox sports. Foreman said it himself, his words. I'm not BS it and blow out my ass. He thought he was invincible and Ali did a job on him and punkd him. He did fight hoping to get attention for a rematch but he said his heart wasn't in it. That why the Lyle fight so so sloppy and the Young fight he lost.


2.) Yeah, Foreman went the distance in those fights. I don't mean to diss but who are those guys? The point was if Foreman workrate went too high he gas out. It was a weakness nonetheless. I like Foreman, I have him #3 pass Marciano.

[ricecrispi]

TommyHearns
There's a reason Joe Louis is ranked by many as number one or two and you **** on his name like that. Most top 10 heavies would have him up there and you say "overrated". Wow! Now you pissed me off! You basically spit in the name of two of the top heavyweights and call me KID!!
YOU ARE a RACIST MOFO of a pig. If they were white, Marciano beat 3 hall of famers. IF they were mexican they be 3 hall of famers. It's not the skin color KID, it's the skill.

Well, Marciano never fought a 150 pound man mofo, he fought 185-200 fighters heavyweights and an occasional 225 because that was all that was available! They added more weight class my man, that was why he was 185. To bad you ain't smart enough to figure it out.

"If Ali bad mouthed a white fighter like Marciano the press would of ripped him"
Ali HATED WHITE PEOPLE back in those days. He thought they should all be bombed and killed. You think he cared about the press. Please you moron. He said *** U to the ARMY, government, whites, and boxing commission and you think he cares about the press. The press pissed all over Ali's name. You are getting the wool pulled over the eys by journalistic writers polishing Ali's image the last 20 years. He was by no means is a saint and an angel like they make him seem today. I'm not goona bad mouth Ali because that's the past.

Joe Walcott was not over the hill. He was like Lewis or Hopkins, better with time just like wine. You call him over the hill because he was 37. Hopkins is 40 and even if he loses he's still top 10 P4P. Walcott was the Ali predecessor. Ali molded himself after him. The headmovement and the footwork. Walcott was so good it could've been Walcott or Joe Louis but he got sick and was in poverty so he couldn't fight.

If Archie was so washed up how he fight for 6 more years with what you called a glass chin. Foreman didn't fight for even 4 years after Ali punkd him.
How many Hall of famers he face after Ali, Frazier who he already beat. Foreman was up washed before all the guys you called bums were washed up. Moore said he never been hit that hard in his life, not Durelle hit harder then Marciano fool. Get it right and don't make up stuff to prove yourself.

Moore said that because he covered up the whole fights against Marciano vs. getting clocked clean by Durelle. He also said Marciano punching you was rocks hitting you and got KO'ed 5 times in that fight and never asked for a rematch!

[ricecrispi]

If the current heavyweights are so good, tell them to fight Chris Byrd. No they avoid him because his middlewight ass would take them to elementary boxing school. Archie Moore was even better than Byrd. I brought up Holyfield and Toney because Lewis in his "prime" and couldn't knock him out Holyfield, Rahmin couldn't, Ruiz couldn't. Toney did it. I don't care who he's fought, he did it. A blown up middlewight. You say a middlewight can't comeup and hurt a 230 pound fighter. You say cruiserwights and middlweights can't compete with todays fighters, all they have to do is move up in weight. looks like you think like a little KID. You think Marcinao can't move up in weight. Yeah, a 185 pound Marciano might not compete at one 185-190 but I bet a 205-210 pound Marciano could. They guy worked harder than Holyfield.

Mike Moore, who he knock out at Heavyweight, hardly no one. He got stoppages but no knock outs. He was never a KO artist like Marciano. Look at the KO percentages of Marciano. Bad comparision. Pick a better one Kid.

Lennox Lewis
Lets say he's the best of the current top 230+ Heavyweights.
Your Lewis at 245 couldn't knock a 225 pound Holyfield. He was a cruiserweight.
He couldn't do it to Tua. Lose to Rahman in his prime.
Never fought vitali again
The guy holds to a level which was never allowed in the past.

[tommyhearns804]

Lol kid number one Marciano fought 155 pound fighters.Moore was a natural middleweight and so was Charles.They both gained weight when they got older but they were both still middleweights.2 Walcott was 40 years old jack ass.He never was good to began with .The man had 20 or 30 loses.He is built up just so people can say well Marciano fought some good fights like Walcott.Good fighters dont finish their careers wiht 50 wins 30 loses and 30 ko's.
Haha Moore said Durelle hit harder than any fighter he ever fought and let me see he fought Marciano so that must of ment Durelle hit harder than he did.
Ali puncked Foreman?Dont make me laugh kid.Foreman tried to get a re-match and Ali didnt give him one.Foreman kept fighting until he lost to Young.And then retired.Foreman fought Ron Lyle a 230 pound black man who could punch like hell.Lyle was better than the white bums Marciano fought.
Wow Marciano knocked out Moore.Big freaking deal.Moore was ko'd alot of times in his career and knocked down countless other times.And again he was a natural middleweight so no big deal.
Foreman says alot of things since he got older.He would tell you now that he was the worse fighter ever and most women could beat him.The people who know Foreman and were around him said he wanteed a re-match bad because he still felt he was the champion and he wanted to show the world he still was.
Peralta is better than Charles or Walcott combine.I believe his record was 99 wins 9 loses compared to the 30 loses Walcott had and 30 or 40 Charles had.Peralta fought Foreman 2 times Bonevena 2 times Ron Lyle 2 times.The man fought tough guys and held his own.So if he isnt nothing special then neither are any of the guys Marciano fought.
And i am racist?Lol that is the funniest crap i ever seen.Besides Foreman all of my other favorite atheletes are white.I am a black guy who lives in a black city but i can't see a black man ever beating a white man in a fight unless he had a gun.Kid you dont know me.You are just a racist little white who gets hurt when somebody tells the truth about that bum Marciano.But i could care less though.Marciano will always be a piece of trash who gets built up by racist white guys and Tyson will always be a rapist coward who is built up by black men

[Imira]

He did fight hoping to get attention for a rematch but he said his heart wasn't in it.

True, but he was still clamoring for a rematch. And Ali never gave him his rematch. We all know he was doubting himself, but the fact remains that, out of all of Ali's opponents, Foreman was the only one who never got a rematch.

Yeah, Foreman went the distance in those fights. I don't mean to diss but who are those guys? The point was if Foreman workrate went too high he gas out. It was a weakness nonetheless

The point isn't "who are they?", the point is that if he can go the distance with "nobodies" it still says something for his stamina. And, to be honest, if Ali, Holyfield, Roy Jones or any other boxer, punches too often, he will eventually get tired. It's a weakness, but not Foreman's alone.

He lost his first Ali fight because he fought the wrong fight. Period. He didn't change or adapt his style and that's why he lost. Shavers is a big guy who punches hard and has stamina issues. However, when he fought Ali, he had very little problem going the distance because he fought the right fight that night.

Oh, and I wouldn't bother getting so upset with TommyHearns. He'll never change his opinion, no matter how much you try to reason with him.

[ricecrispi]

True, but he was still clamoring for a rematch. And Ali never gave him his rematch. We all know he was doubting himself, but the fact remains that, out of all of Ali's opponents, Foreman was the only one who never got a rematch.



The point isn't "who are they?", the point is that if he can go the distance with "nobodies" it still says something for his stamina. And, to be honest, if Ali, Holyfield, Roy Jones or any other boxer, punches too often, he will eventually get tired. It's a weakness, but not Foreman's alone.

He lost his first Ali fight because he fought the wrong fight. Period. He didn't change or adapt his style and that's why he lost. Shavers is a big guy who punches hard and has stamina issues. However, when he fought Ali, he had very little problem going the distance because he fought the right fight that night.

Oh, and I wouldn't bother getting so upset with TommyHearns. He'll never change his opinion, no matter how much you try to reason with him.

I agree on the Ali thing. I don't remembering if Foreman said he would not take it but he did fight to try to get attention. I think in a rematch he would still lose. Ali punked the man in front of the world.

You make a good 2nd point
My point of Foreman weakness is these bums went the distance with Foreman. If a bum can do it then I beat some 10 top heavies could. He did fight the wrong fight but that was in his fault in training style. In historic match fight, if fighters saw the Ali foreman fight, that aura of invinciblity like with Mike Tyson would be gone and more fighters would try to have Foreman outwork himself. I know a lot of fighters have that weakness I'm just say Heorge has one.

As fo Tommy Hearns. His racist rant is worth getting mad. I just can't get over hearing the fact he basically calling 5 hall of famers bums.

[Kid Achilles]

This Hearns guy has been around for awhile and keeps changing his name. You can tells it's him because the enter button seems to be broken on his keyboard. Don't consider him as anything more than comic relief.

[Yogi]

This Hearns guy has been around for awhile and keeps changing his name. You can tells it's him because the enter button seems to be broken on his keyboard. Don't consider him as anything more than comic relief.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious by the writing style and the "love" he has for Marciano, that he is that Inmorwa (or whatever the name was) guy that was banned previously on a couple of other occasions.

It's really not worth the effort of even reading his posts, nevermind trying to debate/discuss something with him.