The Worst World Champions?

[sonnyboyx2]

How many times have I told you about telling lies?

Where did I say DeWitt was ****E, c'mon, where the **** did I say it????????
Said right from the beginning, 'I may be being a bit unkind to him'
Yes, he was definitely the best of those mentioned, and indeed a very tough competitor, but NOT a brilliant world champ as you seem to suggest...
Hilton may have been a good LM, & fancied at MW, but he didn't cut it! imo

Tyrone Booze has been in with good company, and LOST to every single one of them..
Here are some of his defeats, Jesse Ferguson, Markus Bott, Magne Havna, Nate Miller, Dwight Quawi, Johnny DuPlooey, Henry Tilman, Bert Cooper, Evander Holyfield, Eddie Mustafa Muhammad..
The only fighter of note he's beaten, was the very average Ralph Rocchigiani..
So, yes your right, he was indeed a 'sparring partner'..

Oh and you're right again, it was Berbick he ran away from lol, which kinda makes it even worse for Tate, as Trev wasn't exactly a devastating puncher was he?
What a peculiar thing to do in a boxing match.. He really was a very poor champion indeed..

Thomas was Mugabe's next fight following the KO defeat to Hagler..
Everyone knows the 'beast' was tame after that, and the 11 straight wins you refer to were all journeymen, or no namer's with the exception of Rene Jacuot who I believe twisted an ankle or something.. The first decent fighter he met (Norris) KO'd him in one round..
The 'vicious' left hook you mention, looked more like an open handed upper cut to me, but this is only from memory, as I don't have the fight, but Mugabe immediately put a glove to his eye after Thomas had connected..

you named Dewitt as one of the worst champions in boxing history, which indicates you rate him as ****e`
nor did i rate him `brilliant`i said he was a good fighter and tough cookie...You have Dewitt on your list as your selected "Worst Champions in History" and now you are trying to deny it, saying you may be unkind to him because another poster called into question your comments

Do yourself a favour and go watch some Mathew Hilton fights, especially his fights with Drayton, Owens, Antuofermo & Benitez.. if Hilton was in the `Super 6 Tournement`i would be betting that he wins the tournement and all his wins would be brutal KOs.. none of the 6 fighters in that tournement had a set of whiskers like Doug Dewitt.

Tyrone Booze lost on points to 5 world champions, the other defeats was to highly rated fighters with Duploy & Ferguson being heavyweights.. Booze was far from being one of the worst champions ever.

Mugabi was in his prime and strongly fancied to beat Duane Thomas, he scored 11 straight KO wins over the next 3yrs and was strongly fancied to beat Terry Norris but failed, he then scored a couple of more KOs before being destroyed by Gerald McClellan in London - That is when boxing commentators started to claim Migabi was a `Shot fighter`... again Duane Thomas was far from one of the worst champions ever.

[StarshipTrooper]

Yes there does seem to be a bit of reconstructing of Carnera going on.
Before my time but I remember my old man couldn't speak of him without a smile on his face lol. Think it speaks volumes when people speaking up for him say things like "that fight was probably on the level" !

It's hard to tell really. But when someone like GreatA or Slicksouthpaw says they think a certain fight is on the level I trust their judgement. Both are more knowledgable about boxing than I am.

Poet

[mickey malone]

you named Dewitt as one of the worst champions in boxing history, which indicates you rate him as ****e`
nor did i rate him `brilliant`i said he was a good fighter and tough cookie...You have Dewitt on your list as your selected "Worst Champions in History" and now you are trying to deny it, saying you may be unkind to him because another poster called into question your comments

Do yourself a favour and go watch some Mathew Hilton fights, especially his fights with Drayton, Owens, Antuofermo & Benitez.. if Hilton was in the `Super 6 Tournement`i would be betting that he wins the tournement and all his wins would be brutal KOs.. none of the 6 fighters in that tournement had a set of whiskers like Doug Dewitt.

Tyrone Booze lost on points to 5 world champions, the other defeats was to highly rated fighters with Duploy & Ferguson being heavyweights.. Booze was far from being one of the worst champions ever.

Mugabi was in his prime and strongly fancied to beat Duane Thomas, he scored 11 straight KO wins over the next 3yrs and was strongly fancied to beat Terry Norris but failed, he then scored a couple of more KOs before being destroyed by Gerald McClellan in London - That is when boxing commentators started to claim Migabi was a `Shot fighter`... again Duane Thomas was far from one of the worst champions ever.

Because another poster called in to question my comments??

I've used the words 'worst' and 'poor' No world champ is ****e! That's just one of your suburban yuppie expressions and was never indicated in any of my posts..

I'm not denying anything, DeWitt was one of the poorest MW champs in History.. That's why he failed at top level, had a nose like a Dover Sole, and could only win the WBO version of the title.. I think it should also be mentioned that Hilton had drug & alcohol problems at the time, and was hardly ever heard of there on after.. However, agreed, he WAS a fine 154 pounder & I followed his career during the 80's..

I've noticed you haven't suggested anyone who was worse than Booze or Thomas though, and I've also noticed that you haven't bothered to argue the corner for BJT in this post.. Well at least your learning something, I suppose...

[sonnyboyx2]

Because another poster called in to question my comments??

I've used the words 'worst' and 'poor' No world champ is ****e! That's just one of your suburban yuppie expressions and was never indicated in any of my posts..

I'm not denying anything, DeWitt was one of the poorest MW champs in History.. That's why he failed at top level, had a nose like a Dover Sole, and could only win the WBO version of the title.. I think it should also be mentioned that Hilton had drug & alcohol problems at the time, and was hardly ever heard of there on after.. However, agreed, he WAS a fine 154 pounder & I followed his career during the 80's..

I've noticed you haven't suggested anyone who was worse than Booze or Thomas though, and I've also noticed that you haven't bothered to argue the corner for BJT in this post.. Well at least your learning something, I suppose...

its not up to me to list fighters who are worse, ive stated that Booze & Thomas are both far from being the worst world champions..

John Tate as ive said earlier was a very decent fighter before alcohol problems beset him..i would rather watch a John Tate fight than a Valuev or one of the Klitschko brothers fights, Tate was far better skilled than alot of heavyweights are today.

[blacklodge]

Regarding Duane Thomas, Mugabi did say he was thumbed, but I think I read his eye socket was actually broken by that punch, which I remember Thomas after the fight saying was from his "favorite punch". Also, that fight between Duane Thomas and Lupe Aquino (I thought it was Aquino) was far, far, far, far from disputed. I don't remember Thomas winning a round. Didn't Duane Thomas die from getting his head run over by a car? Or am I thinking of Davey Moore? Someone else? Did I make that up?
Also, I would exclude fighters who, despite being bad, legitimately won their title from a strong or certainly lineal champion. Hence, I leave out Carlos Baldomir. I got into a similar debate once with some dude at a local boxing show about Stevie Cruz. He beat McGuigan. Who beat Pedroza. Etc.
I look at guys like Lou Del Valle, who did virtually nothing to earn his shot for a vacant belt against world beater Eddie Smulders but lose to old man river Virgil Hill. He then promptly lost it to Roy Jones in his next fight. Or non-fight, as the case was.

[mickey malone]

its not up to me to list fighters who are worse, ive stated that Booze & Thomas are both far from being the worst world champions..

John Tate as ive said earlier was a very decent fighter before alcohol problems beset him..i would rather watch a John Tate fight than a Valuev or one of the Klitschko brothers fights, Tate was far better skilled than alot of heavyweights are today.

I don't blame you.. Anyone would be hard pressed to name another champion who was worse than them..

[sonnyboyx2]

Regarding Duane Thomas, Mugabi did say he was thumbed, but I think I read his eye socket was actually broken by that punch, which I remember Thomas after the fight saying was from his "favorite punch". Also, that fight between Duane Thomas and Lupe Aquino (I thought it was Aquino) was far, far, far, far from disputed. I don't remember Thomas winning a round. Didn't Duane Thomas die from getting his head run over by a car? Or am I thinking of Davey Moore? Someone else? Did I make that up?
Also, I would exclude fighters who, despite being bad, legitimately won their title from a strong or certainly lineal champion. Hence, I leave out Carlos Baldomir. I got into a similar debate once with some dude at a local boxing show about Stevie Cruz. He beat McGuigan. Who beat Pedroza. Etc.
I look at guys like Lou Del Valle, who did virtually nothing to earn his shot for a vacant belt against world beater Eddie Smulders but lose to old man river Virgil Hill. He then promptly lost it to Roy Jones in his next fight. Or non-fight, as the case was.

Davey Moore was crushed by a car on his own driveway, Duane Thomas was gunned down in front of a store by drug dealers... Lou Del Valle actually floored Roy Jones with virtualy his only punch of the fight.

Steve Cruz vs McGuigan was a very exciting fight with Cruz being the worthy winner yet he kinda faded into obscurity shortly aftwards.

[CiganoBoxer]

Vincenzo Nardiello was a terrible champion..he was the ultimate spoiler to say the least...he wouldn't stop complaining to the ref from start to Finnish!
He would even complain when he won lol
wouldnt he Micky !?

[mrboxer]

i dont think there is a worst champion,to be a champion you have to have ability,you may not be as popular as others but a champion you are,not only in boxing but to be a champion in any sport takes a will and a dedication not only to the sport but to the athletes themselves

[Benncollinsaad]

Mayorga. He was the worst unified champion ever!