Alan Minter would score high for me.
Knowing that Hagler was lurking in the background, the title fight with Vito Antuofermo (another poor champion IMO) was like two bald men fighting for a comb.
Worst Heavyweight belt-holder (since no one really considered him the "champion"): Trevor Berbick.
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Such an abundance of riches in the Heavys, Bruce Seldon, Tony Tubbs, Jess Willard, Carnera, Neon Leon, Bentt, Akinwande and thats even before we get into the murderers row of the 2000's.
Berbick was crap but he's beginning to look like Ali in that company lol
John Tate - won virtually every minute of the full 15rds distance against a prime Mike"hercules"Weaver and with 45 seconds remaining in the final round Weaver caught him with a monster uppercut than left Tate face-down on the canvas.. Trevor Berbick was the fighter running after John Tate hitting him in the back of the head not Weaver.. Tate was good enough to beat Gerrie Coetzee over in South Africa also Kallie Knoetze, Duane Bobick & Bernado Mercado... as for Noel Quarless beating Tate, we might as well ridicule Sugar Ray Robinson for losing his final fight to Honolulu barman Stan Hernandez.
Tyrone Booze - i have 3 of his fights and seen him fight live` on one occasion, he was a decent fighter who knew how to handle himself in the ring, he was a sparring partner in philly for all the great light-heavyweights of the 80s Braxton, Spinks, Gregory, Franklin, Johnson... who are these `mass of defeats` against?
Duane Thomas - beat Mugabi fairly easily landing a vicious left-hook that staggered a prime Mugabi who turned away claiming he had been hit with a thumb (quit) this fight was only 6 months after Mugabi lost to Marvin Hagler.. after the defeat to Duane Thomas 6 weeks later Mugabi was back in the ring scoring a 2rd KO he then reeled off 11 straight KO victories so was a long way from shot`... Thomas lost a desputed decision over in France in his 1st title defence, he lost to Gianfranco Rosi over in Italy before becoming heavily into Drugs and was shot and killed in Detroit a few years later.... yes he was a good fighter
Doug DeWitt - KOd Mathew Hilton the same Hilton who was a tremendous puncher and was fancied by many to rule the roost at Middleweight... beat Kalambay & Haglers brother Robbie Sims.... its clear your knowledge of boxing is very limited when claiming Doug Dewitt was ****e`
How many times have I told you about telling lies?
Where did I say DeWitt was ****E, c'mon, where the **** did I say it????????
Said right from the beginning, 'I may be being a bit unkind to him'
Yes, he was definitely the best of those mentioned, and indeed a very tough competitor, but NOT a brilliant world champ as you seem to suggest...
Hilton may have been a good LM, & fancied at MW, but he didn't cut it! imo
Tyrone Booze has been in with good company, and LOST to every single one of them..
Here are some of his defeats, Jesse Ferguson, Markus Bott, Magne Havna, Nate Miller, Dwight Quawi, Johnny DuPlooey, Henry Tilman, Bert Cooper, Evander Holyfield, Eddie Mustafa Muhammad..
The only fighter of note he's beaten, was the very average Ralph Rocchigiani..
So, yes your right, he was indeed a 'sparring partner'..
Oh and you're right again, it was Berbick he ran away from lol, which kinda makes it even worse for Tate, as Trev wasn't exactly a devastating puncher was he?
What a peculiar thing to do in a boxing match.. He really was a very poor champion indeed..
Thomas was Mugabe's next fight following the KO defeat to Hagler..
Everyone knows the 'beast' was tame after that, and the 11 straight wins you refer to were all journeymen, or no namer's with the exception of Rene Jacuot who I believe twisted an ankle or something.. The first decent fighter he met (Norris) KO'd him in one round..
The 'vicious' left hook you mention, looked more like an open handed upper cut to me, but this is only from memory, as I don't have the fight, but Mugabe immediately put a glove to his eye after Thomas had connected..
Berbick was crap but he's beginning to look like Ali in that company lol
That's frightening in it's implications you know I used to think Carnera was the worst but some of really knowledgable old-school posters here convinced me he wasn't QUITE as bad as I had thought.
Alan Minter would score high for me.
Knowing that Hagler was lurking in the background, the title fight with Vito Antuofermo (another poor champion IMO) was like two bald men fighting for a comb.
I wondered when Minter was gonna come up lol
Trust you!.. I don't think he was particularly terrible though.. He just bled a lot..
I remember when Minter was calling himself 'Boom Boom', then all of a sudden Ray Mancini came along!
I wondered when Minter was gonna come up lol
Trust you!.. I don't think he was particularly terrible though.. He just bled a lot..
I remember when Minter was calling himself 'Boom Boom', then all of a sudden Ray Mancini came along!
Lets say he was well managed!
Every time I saw him he lost, couldn't believe he got a shot at the title.
Mind it was against Antuofermo, thinking about it I was only in my 40's then maybe I could've had a shot
That's frightening in it's implications you know I used to think Carnera was the worst but some of really knowledgable old-school posters here convinced me he wasn't QUITE as bad as I had thought.
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Yes there does seem to be a bit of reconstructing of Carnera going on.
Before my time but I remember my old man couldn't speak of him without a smile on his face lol. Think it speaks volumes when people speaking up for him say things like "that fight was probably on the level" !
Alan Minter would score high for me.
Knowing that Hagler was lurking in the background, the title fight with Vito Antuofermo (another poor champion IMO) was like two bald men fighting for a comb.
OMG! It's funny, but a couple of years ago on another boxing site I made a post that Antoufermo was a club-fighter or something along those lines and another poster went absolutely ape**** over it. He ended up accusing me of being biased against European fighters just because I didn't think Vito was that good
OMG! It's funny, but a couple of years ago on another boxing site I made a post that Antoufermo was a club-fighter or something along those lines and another poster went absolutely ape**** over it. He ended up accusing me of being biased against European fighters just because I didn't think Vito was that good
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Antuofermo reminded me a lot of Gatti but without the defence.
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