Why is Duran considered the greatest LW?

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  • BennyST
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    #61
    Originally posted by Princemanspopa
    You argue that Mayweather isn't willing to prove himself and would rather sit back and fight men that he knows that he could beat(a criticism often used,which does hold value) and yet you claim he would never step up and fight a Kirkland Laing or a Robbie Sims.Now according to your logic then Mayweather would have no problem fighting either of the two as he knows neither of the two are actually a threat.Mayweather would be ripped for ever making a fight with a Laing or a Sims at this stage in his career.
    Sure. Really? You think he would be ripped for moving up to fight a top ranked JMW or MW as a tune up instead of fighting a 36 year old 130/135 pounder at 147 after screwing him over at the weigh in too?

    I would just like to ask something too. You always hear guys like you bring up the Simms and Laing losses, so, I would like to know if you have ever seen either guy fight? Which fights of theirs have you actually seen to know that they were these supposed bums? Name the fights of their you've seen and give us a brief rundown on what you think about them and their styles?

    For such a bum, Laing beat some very good fighters. He was a classic inconsistent fighter that had great talent but could never keep it all together for long stretches of time. He was also much bigger than Duran and started his career at 160 pounds. Laing was actually meant to go very far and be a great fighter and at times throughout his career, much like Buster Douglas, he showed real glimpses of amazing talent.

    Honestly though mate, have you actually seen the fight between him and Laing? It was Laing's version of Tyson vs Douglas. He trained hard and fought better than he ever had and ever would again. But, the big difference was that he was massive compared to Duran who looked fat and out of shape. It would be like watching Hatton get in there with a big MW. Laing towered over him literally.

    Simms was a good fighter who gave everyone he fought a lot of trouble. He was skilled and fast, could brawl, counter, box, fight inside or outside. He was a good fighter that just never got over the line, and was also quite screwed against Doug DeWitt. He had a better career than Laing certainly and beat a lot of very good, top fighters. Again though, he started his career at MW and fought there and at 168 his whole career. He was six foot compared to a lightweight framed, fat Duran.

    With fighters on his resume like Doug DeWitt (he won their first fight but got screwed on the decision in their rematch title fight and I think lost it on a SD which he should have won), Iran Barkley (albeit with only six pro fights or something. BTW, whoever hasn't seen that fight must do so, it is incredible, a war!), John Collins, Tony Chiaverini, Murray Sutherland etc. he was anything but a **** fighter and was a top ranked guy for his whole career.

    None of this is an excuse or apology, as you put it, he was simply beaten by guys that were a hell of a lot bigger, much younger and that were very good fighters. Its enough of an accomplishment that even during LW most of his opposition was bigger than him, and from there on up everyone was, and often by very large margins. Like I said earlier, it makes sense that he lost but it still doesn't change it.

    As with all great, true champions too, it is not always just that they do lose but it is how well they can come back after losing and win against the odds. All great champions have done so from Duran to Robinson to Pep to Ali to Leonard.

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    • GJC
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      #62
      Originally posted by BennyST
      For such a bum, Laing beat some very good fighters. He was a classic inconsistent fighter that had great talent but could never keep it all together for long stretches of time. He was also much bigger than Duran and started his career at 160 pounds. Laing was actually meant to go very far and be a great fighter and at times throughout his career, much like Buster Douglas, he showed real glimpses of amazing talent.

      Honestly though mate, have you actually seen the fight between him and Laing? It was Laing's version of Tyson vs Douglas. He trained hard and fought better than he ever had and ever would again. But, the big difference was that he was massive compared to Duran who looked fat and out of shape. It would be like watching Hatton get in there with a big MW. Laing towered over him literally.

      Benny you're on fire in this thread
      Glad someone has championed Laing a bit I always feel a little embarassed to as I don't think he is that well known over the pond.
      A fantastic talent with marvelous reflexes but it all came a bit easy to him and he was a terrible trainer. Didn't help that he signed with Terry Lawless who was notoriously cautious with his fighters so it was all to easy for Laing no need to train. He gave Colin Jones a boxing lesson for 8 rounds and gassed/lost concentration and got caught in the 9th twice.
      Lawless gave up on him so he signed with Micky Duff and Don King was shopping around for a tune up for Duran after the Benetiz defeat and looks at Laing, 2 losses in his last 4 fights against nobodies, perfect!
      Laing then decides to train like a monster which coupled with his talent against an unfocussed Duran the rest is history. I would say though that a focussed conditioned Laing would give any fighter problems.
      As a postscript Laing now had a good win against Duran and doors were opening so what does he do? He goes missing, Duff couldn't get hold of him for 6 months . Laing then fights 1 fight in 2 years.
      Laing was an accident waiting to happen for a fighter and Duran run into him and lost a split decision thats the story. Your Douglas comparison nails it really in far less words than i've used lol

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