Some Extremely Interesting Larry Holmes Comments

[Benncollinsaad]

You've never even seen that fight.No amount of browsing Boxrec will tell you how that fight played out Mr Boxrec Ranger.

Did somebody say something?? I guess it was just a dog barking.

[Dynamite Kid]

you are deluded if you think Joe Frazier resembles Buster Mathis jr. in anyway...

Holmes is telling the truth about Bonavena, Joe Frazier said Bonavena was the toughest guy he ever fought, Bonavena had a style all of his own, he was a `barrel-chested two-fisted brawler who bobbed, rolled and weaved his way in, he was a very dangerous man for anyone past or present.. i have Frazier vs Bonavena (2) full fight and its as good a fight over 15rds as any fight in history

Does it have no commentary? i have it to be its silent, im wondering if you have the same copy ?

[Burning Desire]

i think holmes is just trying to talk himself up..prime tyson and prime holyfield beats prime holmes...holmes is nothing but a gap in history between ali and tyson..and i think that hurts him

I don't think so somehow, a prime Evander Holyfield just about beat a 42 year old Larry Holmes by 7 rounds to 5.

As for Mike Tyson well thats hard to tell, Larry Holmes was ring rusty and unprepared for a prime Mike Tyson while also being 38, plus Larry Holmes hadn't looked good in previous fights with Carl Williams, David Bey, Michael Spinks.

A prime Larry Holmes the version that fought Earnie Shavers in there 1st meeting, had a great chance of beating Mike Tyson. He had a great jab, was good at keeping range, could tie up, great movement, good height, good chin, good heart.

All the attributes that you need to beat a prime Mike Tyson, i've always said Tony Tucker vs Mike Tyson or James Tillis vs Mike Tyson, prove how fighters like Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, would have beaten Mike Tyson.

The blueprint is in those fights its just those fighters, wern't good enough. Although theres still what ifs in those fights, like if Tony Tucker wouldn't have broke his hand in the 4th round.

Or if James Tillis wouldn't have thrown such a ****** wild amateurish left hook,
and getting caught with a counter shot being off balance, while having probably his best round of the fight. And had that not happened the fight could of been a draw IMO, because two judges scored it 6-4 for Mike Tyson and that round in the fight was the most important round of the fight.

[Benny Leonard]

I don't think so somehow, a prime Evander Holyfield just about beat a 42 year old Larry Holmes by 7 rounds to 5.

As for Mike Tyson well thats hard to tell, Larry Holmes was ring rusty and unprepared for a prime Mike Tyson while also being 38, plus Larry Holmes hadn't looked good in previous fights with Carl Williams, David Bey, Michael Spinks.

A prime Larry Holmes the version that fought Earnie Shavers in there 1st meeting, had a great chance of beating Mike Tyson. He had a great jab, was good at keeping range, could tie up, great movement, good height, good chin, good heart.

All the attributes that you need to beat a prime Mike Tyson, i've always said Tony Tucker vs Mike Tyson or James Tillis vs Mike Tyson, prove how fighters like Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, would have beaten Mike Tyson.

The blueprint is in those fights its just those fighters, wern't good enough. Although theres still what ifs in those fights, like if Tony Tucker wouldn't have broke his hand in the 4th round.

Or if James Tillis wouldn't have thrown such a ****** wild amateurish left hook,
and getting caught with a counter shot being off balance, while having probably his best round of the fight. And had that not happened the fight could of been a draw IMO, because two judges scored it 6-4 for Mike Tyson and that round in the fight was the most important round of the fight.

Tillis: Mike was young and still inexperienced and unsure of himself at this point. He didn't know if he could go into the later rounds since he was busy knocking people out early. Tyson started to hold back and when he got into the last round he realized that going past a certain point in a fight is really just mental if you are trained for it. This was said by Kevin Rooney as well as Tyson later on. In his next fight, Tyson was set out to prove it by boxing Mitch Green to a UD. In that fight you can see a more confident fighter. That's just one fight it took Tyson to raise his confidence about his ability and improve dramatically in that department. Green, like the rest, all lost and all held to keep alive. And when Tillis's name was dropped again to Tyson, Tyson said something on the lines that with respect to Tillis, but if he fought him again he would knock him out (because he understood now what to do and he was a more confident fighter in his abilities).

Tyson liked openings. You punch, you miss, he connects. The way to frustrate Tyson is to actually not punch and use the clinch...which is why he hated to talk about the Bonecrusher Smith fight. But you are not winning if you don't punch.

Tucker: Tucker was undefeated, 6'5, 220+ pounds, long reach, fast, and agile...and still lost by UD. He also held on when Tyson was in close and used his legs to get away from Tyson. All that, and still, Tyson at 5'11 and a short reach, managed to land jabs on the tall agile opponent. That weapon, the jab, which was fast, hard and accurate...became underrated with him...especially after he left Rooney and threw less of them.


One thing that was brought up on Ringside Mike Tyson was the comment by Atlas that Tyson, Cus, and he {Atlas} used to talk about Larry Holmes and how he {Tyson} could beat him. If I remember correctly, Cus felt Holmes did something wrong that Tyson could capitalize on because Tyson was fast, threw hard, and could time an opponent. I think it was about Holmes continually dropping his left after he jabbed so the right hand was the weapon to take him down.

Just remember, both Holmes and Ali also had their hands full with other fighters.

Ali was knocked down with the left hook from Cooper and Frazier...something Tyson was great at throwing. Ali kept his hands low and pulled back a lot. He was also dropped when he was mixing it up with Sonny Banks with a left-hook. Someone with a fast, powerful left-hook like Tyson, who could time punches and movements when properly trained (in his peak)...could cause trouble for Ali.

But I do think Ali is very capable of beating Tyson and I would favor Ali...peak vs. peak.

Holmes however, I'm not as sure.

[sonnyboyx2]

[QUOTE=Dynamite Kid;6356252]Does it have no commentary? i have it to be its silent, im wondering if you have the same copy ?[/QU
no commentary just crowd noise

[sonnyboyx2]

Tillis: Mike was young and still inexperienced and unsure of himself at this point. He didn't know if he could go into the later rounds since he was busy knocking people out early. Tyson started to hold back and when he got into the last round he realized that going past a certain point in a fight is really just mental if you are trained for it. This was said by Kevin Rooney as well as Tyson later on. In his next fight, Tyson was set out to prove it by boxing Mitch Green to a UD. In that fight you can see a more confident fighter. That's just one fight it took Tyson to raise his confidence about his ability and improve dramatically in that department. Green, like the rest, all lost and all held to keep alive. And when Tillis's name was dropped again to Tyson, Tyson said something on the lines that with respect to Tillis, but if he fought him again he would knock him out (because he understood now what to do and he was a more confident fighter in his abilities).

Tyson liked openings. You punch, you miss, he connects. The way to frustrate Tyson is to actually not punch and use the clinch...which is why he hated to talk about the Bonecrusher Smith fight. But you are not winning if you don't punch.

Tucker: Tucker was undefeated, 6'5, 220+ pounds, long reach, fast, and agile...and still lost by UD. He also held on when Tyson was in close and used his legs to get away from Tyson. All that, and still, Tyson at 5'11 and a short reach, managed to land jabs on the tall agile opponent. That weapon, the jab, which was fast, hard and accurate...became underrated with him...especially after he left Rooney and threw less of them.


One thing that was brought up on Ringside Mike Tyson was the comment by Atlas that Tyson, Cus, and he {Atlas} used to talk about Larry Holmes and how he {Tyson} could beat him. If I remember correctly, Cus felt Holmes did something wrong that Tyson could capitalize on because Tyson was fast, threw hard, and could time an opponent. I think it was about Holmes continually dropping his left after he jabbed so the right hand was the weapon to take him down.

Just remember, both Holmes and Ali also had their hands full with other fighters.

Ali was knocked down with the left hook from Cooper and Frazier...something Tyson was great at throwing. Ali kept his hands low and pulled back a lot. He was also dropped when he was mixing it up with Sonny Banks with a left-hook. Someone with a fast, powerful left-hook like Tyson, who could time punches and movements when properly trained (in his peak)...could cause trouble for Ali.

But I do think Ali is very capable of beating Tyson and I would favor Ali...peak vs. peak.

Holmes however, I'm not as sure.

if Buster Douglas can knock Tyson from pillar-to-post with a jab and a right-hand then Muhammad Ali would do the same... Tyson was not that far past his peak when Douglas hammered him, his youth was still carrying him

[Benny Leonard]

if Buster Douglas can knock Tyson from pillar-to-post with a jab and a right-hand then Muhammad Ali would do the same... Tyson was not that far past his peak when Douglas hammered him, his youth was still carrying him

No, he was just in **** shape. You do realize that you have to actually train for a fight, right?
Especially a 5'11, 215 pound HW that needs to be in tip-top shape against a
6'3+, 230 pound agile fighter with a long reach, can throw a solid jab, and has some power to back it up who was well trained, motivated, and on a winning streak.

Come in out of shape and your chances of winning are lowered.


I think even Douglas knew this which is why he refused Tyson's want for the rematch.

[Mersey]

They're comments of a bitter... bitter.... man.

I understand why though, people talk about Tyson, Holyfield and Lewis more than Holmes. I'd be jealous too.

[Squirrel]

What he says does kinda sound like bitterness, especially the Tyson comments.

I don't exactly agree with the Lewis comments, especially the part about them fighting/his jab etc, but his point about Mercer is quite incisive; i'd never thought of that before.