Mike Tyson under-appreciated

[Benny Leonard]

This article sums up why many got frustrated with Tyson



Brooks always held out hope for Iron Mike

http://espn.go.com/columns/wojnarows...n/1317765.html

[The Iron Man]

Point is mute. Tyson fans always want to make out that the Holyfield win does not stick because Mike was apparently past his best, guess what? so was Evander Holyfield, infact more so imo. When someone tries to do down Holyfield's win by saying Mike was past it you know they are looking for excuses, Holyfield was 34 at the time and been in many many many wars.

You obviously do not see my point, Im not dicrediting Holyfield im saying what Tysons situation was and he was much worse of the Evander who couldnt of been that much past his prime since he went on to have to tough fights with Lewis and Beat Moorer.

[Dynamite Kid]

You obviously do not see my point, Im not dicrediting Holyfield im saying what Tysons situation was and he was much worse of the Evander who couldnt of been that much past his prime since he went on to have to tough fights with Lewis and Beat Moorer.

I think thats the problem i do get your point. You are trying to dilute Holyfield's win by making out Mike was more past it than Holyfield.


He should of lost to Lewis twice and should of lost to Ruiz 3 times because he robbed Ruiz the first time and clearly got a gift in the draw with Lewis, he went onto get Boxing lessons from Larry Donald, Byrd, Toney. Also before beating Tyson he got KTFO out by Bowe and looked terrible against Moorer, that is why Tyson was favourite to win. That Tyson win was a smoke screen, it was a case of the great Champion who was a better fighter well all said and done having one great fight left in him.


You would prolly have people believe that Holyfield is not shot now because he able to be competitive with Valuev News flash, Holyfield is a better fighter than Mike Tyson, he has better Boxing skills, he is more intelligent and that is why he is still fighting and not get destroyed by the likes of Danny Willliams, McBride.

Maybe you should watch more of Holyfield's fight than you do Tyson's because he has been in many many more wars than Tyson and took more punishment, Mike Tyson just aint as good as Holyfield and that Tyson that lost to Holyfield lost for that reason, even when he had as much if not more left than Evander. You need to come to terms with reality and and accept that he lost fair and square to Holyfield, that the excuse Mike was past it is a mute point.


I do love the way use you use Mike's comeback fights to make out he did not get the right preparation but then you forget to mention that Holyfield looked worse against Moorer & he got KTFO!!! against Bowe, typical deluded Tyson fan.

[GJC]

Which is hardly a who's who of boxing legends. And the first fighter that stood up to him pretty much ended his career.

Hmmm whilst Douglas fought the right fight against Tyson which a lot didn't, I think we had seen the best of Tyson by 1989.
I think he was there to be taken in the first Bruno fight but Bruno didn't have enough.
After prison Tyson was pretty much a 5 round fighter.
Also think Douglas on that night against a far from peak Tyson would have given a lot of ATG's problems.
Re Tyson being under appreciated, he probably is by some but over appreciated by others so probably evens out.
My biggest bugbear with Tyson was he never developed many inside fighting skills which I think would have helped him and didn't really develop, he was pretty much the same fighter in his 30th fight as he was in his 1st.
That said it would be a pretty stingy person who didn't make him a top 10 ATG HW.

[The Iron Man]

I think thats the problem i do get your point. You are trying to dilute Holyfield's win by making out Mike was more past it than Holyfield.

Well thats not my point, so really there is no reason for me to comment on the rest of your post. Was it Prime Tyson V Prime Holy? no, was Tyson more shot that Evander at that time? i think so. But that version of Holyfield would have given any Tyson problems, i honestly believe a 1991 Holyfield would have had more problems or even lost to Tyson in 1996/7.

[Dynamite Kid]

Well thats not my point, so really there is no reason for me to comment on the rest of your post. Was it Prime Tyson V Prime Holy? no, was Tyson more shot that Evander at that time? i think so. But that version of Holyfield would have given any Tyson problems, i honestly believe a 1991 Holyfield would have had more problems or even lost to Tyson in 1996/7.

was Tyson more shot that Evander at that time? i think so.

Says it all about your agenda son. You can sugar coat all you want i know what your tried to do right there, its does not wash, facts are facts, Holy was knocked out and looked terrible before the Tyson fight & he had a checkered record after it.

Typical Tyson fan who refuses to accept reality and commonsense.

[Bushidō]

Lets create a Frazier underapperciated threaddddd

[Boogie Nights]

im not even gonna sweat responding to the one guy who's been doing all the bashing in this thread. ill say this to Kid Dynamite, he needs to straighten out couple of his issues. And by golly he has quite a few.

he's the one who's been going out of his way with all that drivel he keeps soiling in not one, or two, but numerous tyson threads. I love it how he says there's no point arguing with fanboys, nuthuggers and the like, yet it is he who voluntairly comes into the thread to drop his anti-tyson bombs. If you're impotent to all the tyson clan boys, why stir up **** in the first place? Something tells me it gets your **** hard, chappie!

truth is, all that bs about 'putting them in their place' is, well, BS. You're just as worse as the groupies that overate him, only you're stuck in the reverse gear severely underating him. Read your own poetry.

ive noticved this about you, anyone who slightly makes an arguement in favor of tyson you label them a nuthugger. Issues, son? i think you have some or plenty.

the excuses may get old after a while but they all are validated. He was in poor shape for douglas, you know it, they know it, the public knows it, and tyson himself confirmed it. He wasted his prime in prison. He came back had a couple of bs fights with paper champions and regained his title, and lost it again. what else is there more to talk about?

you just enjoy the drama on this site.

that is all./