Anybody else sick of die hard tyson fans with their Coulda Shouldas?

[Bright-Eyes]

Well he was put in prison for three years and he never looked the same in his return,although many would argue that he had been declining as a fighter for atleast two years before arrest.

I don't think he has any excuses for the loss against Douglas,despite the turmoil that were taking place in his life,Douglas was going through some **** himself that could have destroyed any man.

I do think people give Holyfield alot more credit than he deserves for his wins against Tyson,for the simple fact that Tyson critics try to pass this shell off as Tyson at his best(I aknowledge that Holyfield wasn't in his prime either)


Sure he has overzelous fans who overrated their fighter but so does Joe Louis,Muhammad Ali,Rocky Marciano,Ray Robinson,Marvin Hagler,Roberto Duran ect

A cynic is worse than a fanatic IMO.

[Dynamite Kid]

Well he was put in prison for three years and he never looked the same in his return,although many would argue that he had been declining as a fighter for atleast two years before arrest.

I don't think he has any excuses for the loss against Douglas,despite the turmoil that were taking place in his life,Douglas was going through some **** himself that could have destroyed any man.

I do think people give Holyfield alot more credit than he deserves for his wins against Tyson,for the simple fact that Tyson critics try to pass this shell off as Tyson at his best(I aknowledge that Holyfield wasn't in his prime either)


Sure he has overzelous fans who overrated their fighter but so does Joe Louis,Muhammad Ali,Rocky Marciano,Ray Robinson,Marvin Hagler,Roberto Duran ect

A cynic is worse than a fanatic IMO.

No offence but thats BS.

All people try to put across is that Hoylfield should get full credit for the win regardless whether Mike was prime or not, because Holyfield was not in his prime either, he was older, had been in tougher fights, taken more punishment in his career.

Tyson fans just like to blind themselves to this and tot out the old chesnut that Mike was not in his prime, but guess what ? neither was Holyfield so that excuse is futile

[boxingbuff]

I'm in the middle with Mike Tyson.

I think some are excuses,but some are facts.

In his prime I believe he could have beat Muhammad Ali,or gave him a very close fight.

But STYLES make fights.I believe guys like Sonny Liston and George Forman would have taken him out early.

I would rank Tyson a Top 5 Heavyweight of all-time,and beating the #1 Heavyweight of all-time(Maybe).

[Verstyle]

Thank God I know you Versi: Your tongue's firmly planted in your cheek

Poet

Much so. I was hoping someone would bite with the Tyson avatar to boot.

[ßringer]

I've grown tired of debating Mike's claim to legitimate greatness with his fans a long, long time ago.

It always leads to excuses ; Cus dying, Robin Givens, the **** conviction, Don King, lack of motivation, past prime, and what have you.

The bottom line is he was a damn good fighter who never quite achieved greatness.