this whole "Size doesnt matter" thing has to stop.

[MANGLER]

Size ain't the be all end all in boxing, but it does matter.

BTW, where Tuggers?

[StarshipTrooper]

The problem as I see it is too many posters want to make these comparisons in a vacuum. My point is: If you aren't going to compare Heavyweights without making adjustments for the eras in which they fought then THERE'S NO POINT IN MAKING THE COMPARISONS AT ALL!!!!! You're comparing apples to oranges and being academicaly dishonest. It's like that idiot who wants to prove Rommel was a better general than Napoleon by pitting Rommel's Panzers and machine guns against Napoleon's calvalry and muskets. It's absurd and doesn't prove anything. If the point is to see who the better fighter was than either account for the era or don't bother: You're simply setting up a strawman and wasting everybody's time because there isn't any knowledge to gleen from it.

Poet

[NakiFan]

The problem as I see it is too many posters want to make these comparisons in a vacuum. My point is: If you aren't going to compare Heavyweights without making adjustments for the eras in which they fought then THERE'S NO POINT IN MAKING THE COMPARISONS AT ALL!!!!! You're comparing apples to oranges and being academicaly dishonest. It's like that idiot who wants to prove Rommel was a better general than Napoleon by pitting Rommel's Panzers and machine guns against Napoleon's calvalry and muskets. It's absurd and doesn't prove anything. If the point is to see who the better fighter was than either account for the era or don't bother: You're simply setting up a strawman and wasting everybody's time because there isn't any knowledge to gleen from it.

Poet

You can compare Pound For Pound though, and in that respect a guy like Dempsey or Marciano suddenly becomes easily a match for the modern super heavyweights.

This thread was a response to the one saying Dempsey would easily ko lewis

[StarshipTrooper]

You can compare Pound For Pound though, and in that respect a guy like Dempsey or Marciano suddenly becomes easily a match for the modern super heavyweights.

This thread was a response to the one saying Dempsey would easily ko lewis

That wasn't directed at you my friend! It was more a general venting over what I see going on in a number of threads when ehse types of discussions come up.

Poet

[sonnyboyx2]

Simple question,how many times was Lewis knocked down compared to how many times Joe Frazier was knocked down?

simply question which merits a simply answer, Frazier was knocked down 10 times in his career yet regained his feet every time before the count reached 6 whereas Lennox Lewis was decked 2 times in his career, the first time he fell around the ring with glassy eyes and was still on unstead legs 10 minutes after the fight was stopped ( i know because i was there ) and the 2nd time he was floored the referee could have counted to 100 and Lewis would not have beaten the count

[Spartacus Sully]

Charlie Chaplin, Harold Lloyd & Buster Keeton were a lot faster than the cast of Friends to...

To say that Lewis was too slow to hold off 13-14 stone fighters is fantasy..

not that he was too slow but that the top speed his fist reaches is not enough to do the same kind of damage as the top speed of the likes of marciano louis and dempsey.

rip off the flap from a cardboard box. now have some one hold it with both hands and try to poke through it with 1 or 2 fingers. not to hard right. now you hold it with one hand and try to poke through it with the other. no amount of power will let you poke through that card board flap. what you requie is top speed. dempsey marciano louis had that top speed, lewis on the other hand would never be able to poke through the flap because he was lacking the top speed.

so what im saying is that dempsey marciano and louis had the speed to tear flesh and stop fights from bleeding and bones shattering though at the time th fights would cointinue. where as lewis had the power to keep some one at bay but not stop a fight after 5 rounds due to cuts especially agaisnt the likes of people who would pickle their face and hands to make them tougher.

Simialr to the kind of punishment jeffries took against fitsimmons cept dempsey marciano and louis would have had no problem lasting 12 rounds

also due to size diffrence it would be like poking through the card board held by some one else with 2 hands for louis dempsey and marciano. where as lewis would be poking through the cardboard held by one hand against dempsey and marciano.

[Mersey]

simply question which merits a simply answer, Frazier was knocked down 10 times in his career yet regained his feet every time before the count reached 6 whereas Lennox Lewis was decked 2 times in his career, the first time he fell around the ring with glassy eyes and was still on unstead legs 10 minutes after the fight was stopped ( i know because i was there ) and the 2nd time he was floored the referee could have counted to 100 and Lewis would not have beaten the count

Do you ever make a non-hating Lennox Lewis post?

I think in every thread I've seen you post in, you say "Lewis was poleaxed"

[Spartacus Sully]

in reality it often would take multiple swings to knock out a cow even with a pole axe back in they day we would bet quarters own how many swings it would take.

[mickey malone]

not that he was too slow but that the top speed his fist reaches is not enough to do the same kind of damage as the top speed of the likes of marciano louis and dempsey.

rip off the flap from a cardboard box. now have some one hold it with both hands and try to poke through it with 1 or 2 fingers. not to hard right. now you hold it with one hand and try to poke through it with the other. no amount of power will let you poke through that card board flap. what you requie is top speed. dempsey marciano louis had that top speed, lewis on the other hand would never be able to poke through the flap because he was lacking the top speed.

so what im saying is that dempsey marciano and louis had the speed to tear flesh and stop fights from bleeding and bones shattering though at the time th fights would cointinue. where as lewis had the power to keep some one at bay but not stop a fight after 5 rounds due to cuts especially agaisnt the likes of people who would pickle their face and hands to make them tougher.

Simialr to the kind of punishment jeffries took against fitsimmons cept dempsey marciano and louis would have had no problem lasting 12 rounds

also due to size diffrence it would be like poking through the card board held by some one else with 2 hands for louis dempsey and marciano. where as lewis would be poking through the cardboard held by one hand against dempsey and marciano.

I fully understand your train of thought.. 'You can't hurt what you can't hit' and that's very true, but seriously...... The only way any of these guy's under 200lbs can make a dent in Lewis is if they caught him on 1 of his 2 off nights, so yes, it is possible, but highly unlikely.. You'd probably get 10/1 at the bookies..

For example, the injuries inflicted on Willard.. It doesn't take much working out..
The rules allowed Dempsey to hit Willard on the way up.. Credit to Jack for putting him down in the 1st place, but even with this HUGE advantage STILL took him, was it 7? barrages to finish the big farmer..

Can you imagine how many people Lewis would have killed, had the rules been the same today?

What I'm saying is, 'You can hit, but it won't hurt'... And shortly, you're gonna get nicked for speeding...

Marciano never fought anyone near as big and mobile as Lewis, & would have been stopped on cuts a couple of times had it not been in the day.. He to, after having limited success & hurting his hands, would be stretched around 6..

Joe Louis would be the only old school fighter to stand a good chance of beating Lennox, but I wouldn't put my house on it..

[Spartacus Sully]

I disagree as far as damages and getting back up. I thought one of the more damaging blows would be the standing one that shattered willards cheekbone.

i dont think their gonna rattle lennox's head around but theres gonna be blood and broken bones. where as the smaller fighters will be shaken but not cut.

lennox has a high chance and knocking them out, though id like to think they all could take more then a few hits from lewis, assuming their not fast enough or cant take the hits then lewis will win but thats the only way. more so i see a stoppage mainly some time after the 5th round or if it does go the distance i belive the smaller person will have been busier along with inflicted more visual damage giving him the decision.