(POLL)Alexis Arguello Or Floyd Mayweather, who is the greater fighter?

[Obama]

Top Ten fighters Mayweather Jr beat:
Genero Hernandez Top 3
Angel Manfredy #4
Gregerio Vargas #10
Diego Corrales #1
Jesus Chavez #4
Jose Luis Castillo #1
DeMarcus Corley #6
Arturo Gatti #7
Zab Judah #4
Carlos Baldomir Champion Status
Oscar DLH #6
Ricky Hatton Champion Status at 140lbs

Top Ten fighters Alexis Arguello beat:
Jose Legra #8
Art Hafey #3
Ruben Olivares #6
Leonel Hernandez #3
Royal Kobayashi #8
Cocoa Sanchez #8
Alfredo Escalara #1
Arturo Leon #7
Alfredo Escala 2 #4
Rafael Limon #3
Bobby Chacon #3
Jim Watt #2
Ray Mancini #10
Andrew Ganigan #5
Billy Costello #3


The bolded are the guys they beat at 130lbs.
The Italicized are the guys they beat at 135lbs.

Discuss.

Could have sworn DLH was #3 JMW at the time. Anyways, not a massive difference in the level of talent they beat at 135 and 130, but Arguello's list is better over all. Problem is, Arguello also lost at 135.

[StarshipTrooper]

We have a Labour Party in Britain which whilst I am not a huge fan of them I wouldn't have said that in their history they have been under the grip of the Socialists?
So I would hope that you agree that there is a big difference between communism and socialism?

Communist = a Socialist with a Gulag and a Killing Field. Either way they derive from the same collectivist ideology of Marx that deprives the individual of his liberty and makes him a slave of the state in the name of the collective.

As for the vast majority of those movements being backed by the Soviets you could easily say that was a by product of the other side being backed by the U.S.A. wars make strange bedfellows.

Yes, probably a bad example re the communism angle but the Khymer Rouge did have U.S. support which was a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend and I think has continued in Nicaragua which is I hope you will agree an odious regime. I am pretty sure that every movement that were trying to throw off oppression had it as their aim to replace it with Soviet oppression but sometimes I'm pretty sure that U.S. foreign policy probably drove some of these movements into the arms of the Soviets.

I agree the Batiste regime in Nicaragua deplorable and had to go but NOT to be replaced by the Sandinistas who, in fact, were worse.

OK give me your view on the ********ically elected Salvador Allende?

He's a Communist dictator pure and simple. As I said before, the principle of "one man, one vote, ONE TIME" doesn't cut it with me. This is a case of oppressive mob rule empowering the oppressive rule of a Marxist dictator undoubtably with any subsequent "elections" rigged (as you see in Venezuela) to ensure the mob doesn't rectify their error.

Poet

[Benncollinsaad]

Communist = a Socialist with a Gulag and a Killing Field. Either way they derive from the same collectivist ideology of Marx that deprives the individual of his liberty and makes him a slave of the state in the name of the collective.




I agree the Batiste regime in Nicaragua deplorable and had to go but NOT to be replaced by the Sandinistas who, in fact, were worse.




He's a Communist dictator pure and simple. As I said before, the principle of "one man, one vote, ONE TIME" doesn't cut it with me. This is a case of oppressive mob rule empowering the oppressive rule of a Marxist dictator undoubtably with any subsequent "elections" rigged (as you see in Venezuela) to ensure the mob doesn't rectify their error.

Poet

Too bad Pinochet never got to meet you before he died. You'd make a fine junta man. Its clear to me now that you are a Bush-like extreme righty. Cuba is a communist country, but they are not dictatorship. Fidel is a much better president than any of your presidents, save JFK, Clinton and Carter. And maybe *****. You can't stand having a communist country so close to you. So you try to paint a black picture about Cuba. Your fooking media only shows Cuba's worst sides. Not to mention the right wing Cuban scum in Florida and their activities. But some famous Americans like Jack Nicholson, Ry Cooder, Oliver Stone and Ted Turner even have all spoken warmly of Cuba and Fidel's leadership. It must hurt.

Also, Benicio Del Toro, a Puerto Rican, has made a movie about Che Guevara. Errol Flynn was an another admirer of the revolutionaries.

[GJC]

Communist = a Socialist with a Gulag and a Killing Field. Either way they derive from the same collectivist ideology of Marx that deprives the individual of his liberty and makes him a slave of the state in the name of the collective.

Poet that genrealisation would do Joe McCarthy proud, you are better than that.


I agree the Batiste regime in Nicaragua deplorable and had to go but NOT to be replaced by the Sandinistas who, in fact, were worse.
[/QUOTE]
Well the Contra's are also awful.
Given that your main argument against Communism seems to be the inevitable dictatorship that follows you surely can't support the Contra's?
Nicaragua seems to be a case of pick your favourite dictatorship.


He's a Communist dictator pure and simple. As I said before, the principle of "one man, one vote, ONE TIME" doesn't cut it with me. This is a case of oppressive mob rule empowering the oppressive rule of a Marxist dictator undoubtably with any subsequent "elections" rigged (as you see in Venezuela) to ensure the mob doesn't rectify their error.

Poet[/QUOTE]
There was little evidence that he was going to abolish elections but very little evidence that Pinochet was going to call any. As I said I'm not a fan of communists but I would pick a ********ic communist over a Facist dictator.

[GJC]

Cuba is a communist country, but they are not dictatorship. Fidel is a much better president than any of your presidents, save JFK, Clinton and Carter. And maybe *****. You can't stand having a communist country so close to you. So you try to paint a black picture about Cuba. Your fooking media only shows Cuba's worst sides. Not to mention the right wing Cuban scum in Florida and their activities.
Also, Benicio Del Toro, a Puerto Rican, has made a movie about Che Guevara. Errol Flynn was an another admirer of the revolutionaries.

Benn,
Fidel hasn't called too many elections in 50 years though?
I would probably say he was a minute improvement on the corrupt Batista but the Cubans deserve better than both.
Guevara made for a nice T shirt but he had anm awful lot of blood on his hands my friend.

[Benncollinsaad]

Benn,
Fidel hasn't called too many elections in 50 years though?
I would probably say he was a minute improvement on the corrupt Batista but the Cubans deserve better than both.
Guevara made for a nice T shirt but he had anm awful lot of blood on his hands my friend.

Yes, but whose blood?? Batista soldiers and those Bolivian pro-******* soldiers blood, yes. Don't take that movie "Lost City" seriously. It's all anti-communist US Cuban propaganda. Che never let anybody get executed unless it was completely necessary. And how much blood does Tony Blair or GW Bush have on their hands??

[StarshipTrooper]

Too bad Pinochet never got to meet you before he died. You'd make a fine junta man.

I have no use for Pinochet either.

Its clear to me now that you are a Bush-like extreme righty.

Wrong again! I'm a Liberterian who has no use for EITHER entrenched political party.

Cuba is a communist country, but they are not dictatorship.

Smoking weed again? By their own admission they are a dictatorship of the proletariet. What part of that did you miss in between bong hits?

Fidel is a much better president than any of your presidents, save JFK, Clinton and Carter. And maybe *****. You can't stand having a communist country so close to you. So you try to paint a black picture about Cuba. Your fooking media only shows Cuba's worst sides. Not to mention the right wing Cuban scum in Florida and their activities.

Considering this statement comes from a Yugoslav Commy it's hardly worth cyber-ink it's written with.

But some famous Americans like Jack Nicholson, Ry Cooder, Oliver Stone and Ted Turner even have all spoken warmly of Cuba and Fidel's leadership. It must hurt.

Also, Benicio Del Toro, a Puerto Rican, has made a movie about Che Guevara. Errol Flynn was an another admirer of the revolutionaries.

Some Americans are also well known as being fellow travellors who never met a brutal Communist dictator they didn't slobber over. All that proves is some Americans are suckers for Communist propaganda or are otherwise true believers themselves. They have been a number of famous Americans who were also Communists and I consider them insidious slime as well. You can include Michael Moore in that latter catagory.

Poet

[GJC]

Yes, but whose blood?? Batista soldiers and those Bolivian pro-******* soldiers blood, yes. Don't take that movie "Lost City" seriously. It's all anti-communist US Cuban propaganda. Che never let anybody get executed unless it was completely necessary. And how much blood does Tony Blair or GW Bush have on their hands??

I didn't mean in battle I meant when he was put in charge of the "tidying up" after the Cuban revolution.>
Whether or not the people who were executed deserved it there was little due process.
Re Bush and Blair, probably a fair point but a different argument for a different day?

[StarshipTrooper]

Poet that genrealisation would do Joe McCarthy proud, you are better than that.

The point is, I'm opposed to the underlying ideology whether it comes equipped labor camps and massacres or not.

Well the Contra's are also awful.
Given that your main argument against Communism seems to be the inevitable dictatorship that follows you surely can't support the Contra's?
Nicaragua seems to be a case of pick your favourite dictatorship.

The fall of the Sandinistas wasn't followed by a dictorship though. It was followed by an inept republic that dropped the ball.

There was little evidence that he was going to abolish elections but very little evidence that Pinochet was going to call any. As I said I'm not a fan of communists but I would pick a ********ic communist over a Facist dictator.

I reject both. If a majority voted to have you burned at the stake would that make it any less evil?

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

I didn't mean in battle I meant when he was put in charge of the "tidying up" after the Cuban revolution.>
Whether or not the people who were executed deserved it there was little due process.
Re Bush and Blair, probably a fair point but a different argument for a different day?

Usually their crime was to be a "class enemy" or they resisted forced collectivization. THAT'S the "necessary executions" he's defending. When the individual has no rights that's the inevitable result.

Poet