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    Would everyone be satisfied with the following list for lineal heavyweight champions up to and including Clay regains from Spinks?

    * * * * *

    John l Sullivan—

    Corbett—

    Fitzsimmons—

    Jefferies—

    Hart—

    Burns—

    Johnson—

    Willard—

    Dempsey—

    Tunney—

    Schmeling—

    Sharkey—

    Carnera—

    Baer—

    Braddock—

    Louis—

    Charles—

    Walcott—

    Marciano—

    Patterson—

    Johansson—

    Patterson—

    Liston—

    Clay—

    Frazier—

    Foreman—

    Clay—

    L Spinks—

    Clay—

    * * * * *

    Terrell, Ellis, Norton and Holmes have been edited off the list. I believe Holmes was not the lineal champion then, and acquired his belt against Norton who was not a lineal champ. Please correct me if I am wrong. I need the information for a project. I hate doing things over because I missed something or was flat wrong. Don't we all?
    Last edited by The Old LefHook; 09-28-2022, 07:48 PM.

  • #2
    I lean more toward inclusion than exclusion but if the goal is make a strict list of pretty much undisputable lineals this one's good.

    You can go harder though. I'm a bit out of practice with lineal and do not have access to my notes currently. I guess I could search the forum, but it's harder outside of your account. Finding Marchegiano's thread without being logged into Marchegiano is pretty hard. Suck ass search feature. So this is from the hip and a bunch of "If I recall correctly"

    John L can be cut. He was a fair and clear LPRR champion but his QB championship comes off a draw. Which is a bit BS because who wins a vacant title on a draw? US champ vs UK champ, fight end in draw, we all call John the first lineal for it. If you're going to be hard about it maybe Corbett is the first lineal.

    Schmeling can be considered just a claimant given he hadn't actually gathered all the olden titles and Sharkey was not a champion yet. Sharkey did gather all the oldens when he became champ...after Max.

    Those are the only two I can think of and it'd be kind of bold to cut them, but cutting Holmes is a bit bold imo too. It's more in my nature to include guys like Maher and Tom Sharkey than to go the other way...which is admittedly just a bold because who TF am I to tell the world nah, the lineal list we've agreed on for like 100 years is wrong


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    • #3
      Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
      Would everyone be satisfied with the following list for lineal heavyweight champions up to and including Clay regains from Spinks?

      * * * * *

      John l Sullivan—

      Corbett—

      Fitzsimmons—

      Jefferies—

      Hart—

      Burns—

      Johnson—

      Willard—

      Dempsey—

      Tunney—

      Schmeling—

      Sharkey—

      Carnera—

      Baer—

      Braddock—

      Louis—

      Charles—

      Walcott—

      Marciano—

      Patterson—

      Johansson—

      Patterson—

      Liston—

      Clay—

      Frazier—

      Foreman—

      Clay—

      L Spinks—

      Clay—

      * * * * *

      Terrell, Ellis, Norton and Holmes have been edited off the list. I believe Holmes was not the lineal champion then, and acquired his belt against Norton who was not a lineal champ. Please correct me if I am wrong. I need the information for a project. I hate doing things over because I missed something or was flat wrong. Don't we all?
      Does Lewis retiring break the lineal?

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      • #4
        - - Edit tubby Lar and not JJohnson who beat a fat man starving after 6 years retirement in Jeffries?

        The first lineal title ended with Jeffries retirement. Any BS after that is just that, faery tales, goblins, and witchcraft by ol' gits passing on mythology.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
          Would everyone be satisfied with the following list for lineal heavyweight champions up to and including Clay regains from Spinks?

          * * * * *

          John l Sullivan—

          Corbett—

          Fitzsimmons—

          Jefferies—

          Hart—

          Burns—

          Johnson—

          Willard—

          Dempsey—

          Tunney—

          Schmeling—

          Sharkey—

          Carnera—

          Baer—

          Braddock—

          Louis—

          Charles—

          Walcott—

          Marciano—

          Patterson—

          Johansson—

          Patterson—

          Liston—

          Clay—

          Frazier—

          Foreman—

          Clay—

          L Spinks—

          Clay—

          * * * * *

          Terrell, Ellis, Norton and Holmes have been edited off the list. I believe Holmes was not the lineal champion then, and acquired his belt against Norton who was not a lineal champ. Please correct me if I am wrong. I need the information for a project. I hate doing things over because I missed something or was flat wrong. Don't we all?
          NOT acceptable to me.
          Using your "criteria" the list should read.
          SULLIVAN
          CORBETT
          FITZSIMMONS
          JEFFRIES
          HART
          BRUSSO
          JOHNSON
          WILLARD
          DEMPSEY
          TUNNEY
          SCHMELING
          ZUKAUSKAS
          CARNERA
          BAER
          BRADDOCK
          BARROW
          CHARLES
          CREAM
          MARCHEGIANO
          PATTERSON
          JOHANSSON
          PATTERSON
          LISTON
          CLAY
          FRAZIER
          FOREMAN
          CLAY
          SPINKS L
          CLAY

          IF YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH NOAH BRUSSO CHANGING HIS NAME TO
          TOMMY BURNS.

          JOSEPH ZUKAUSKAS TO JACK SHARKEY

          JOSEPH BARROW TO JOE LOUIS

          ARNOLD CREAM TO JOE WALCOTT.

          ROCCO MARCHEGIANO TO ROCKY MARCIANO.

          WHY WOULD YOU NOT ACCEPT CASSIUS CLAY'S RIGHT TO CHANGE HIS NAME TO
          MUHAMMAD ALI?

          PLEASE EXPLAIN YOUR LOGIC?
          Last edited by Ivich; 09-30-2022, 02:38 AM.

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          • #6
            Please also explain Marvin Hart's claim to lineage.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post
              Please also explain Marvin Hart's claim to lineage.
              - - Undefeated Jeff as the ref "awarded" Hart the title after he KOed Root.

              Don't take much for the lineal boys to start tooting up their lineal horns.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ivich View Post



                Not acceptable to me.
                Using your "criteria" the list should read.
                SULLIVAN
                CORBETT
                FITZSIMMONS
                JEFFRIES
                HART
                BRUSSO
                JOHNSON
                WILLARD
                DEMPSEY
                TUNNEY
                SCHMELING
                ZUKAUSKAS
                CARNERA
                BAER
                BRADDOCK
                BARROW
                CHARLES
                CREAM
                MARCHEGIANO
                PATTERSON
                JOHANSSON
                PATTERSON
                LISTON
                CLAY
                FRAZIER
                FOREMAN
                CLAY
                SPINKS L
                CLAY

                IF YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH NOAH BRUSSO CHANGING HIS NAME TO
                TOMMY BURNS.

                ARNOLD CREAM TO JOE WALCOTT.

                ROCCO MARCHEGIANO TO ROCKY MARCIANO.

                WHY WOULD YOU NOT ACCEPT CASSIUS CLAY'S RIGHT TO CHANGE HIS NAME TO
                MUHAMMAD ALI?

                PLEASE EXPLAIN YOUR LOGIC?
                Well done, well said.
                Comes a cross as trying to be edgy calling him clay, but looks foolish really.
                Ivich Ivich likes this.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                  - - Undefeated Jeff as the ref "awarded" Hart the title after he KOed Root.

                  Don't take much for the lineal boys to start tooting up their lineal horns.
                  He retracted that later didn’t he? Jeff.

                  Not going to make a big fuss, but surely Harts claim isn’t universally recognized as legit.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post
                    He retracted that later didn’t he? Jeff.

                    Not going to make a big fuss, but surely Harts claim isn’t universally recognized as legit.
                    Yes he did, he said he never announced Hart as champion. and that he had no authority to do so.He just raised his hand as the winner.
                    BattlingNelson BattlingNelson likes this.

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