David Tua with Cus D'Amato.

[QueensburyRules]

Ah the Tua train... A short flat footed, one handed fighter that has captured the imagination of all the fantasists... Tua had power to spare but little else.

- - Your limitations, not Tua's.

Guess you ain't never seen Tua vs Ibeabuchui. Tua masterful footwork glided around the ring to keep Ike unable to set up any power while walking him into stiff counters.

Ike won the fight but lost the war as he was never same from that beating where all his demons took root. Ya could look it up!

Tua fell in love with his power in the scary John Ruiz KO, and grew fat and lazy as a result exacerbated by use of local Oz trainers. He's 5-2-1 vs Hvy champs past and future only losing his single present title challenge to Lewie. Outrageous only getting a single title shot, but again, limited by local Oz promoters who bilked him by the end of his career.

BTW Samoans the go to guys for pro rugby!!!

[tokon]

And Tyson would have won a world title no matter who trained him. He was that talented.

Not convinced on that one; in different hands the self destructive Tyson probably wouldn't have even made it to a title fight.

[BKM-]

I stand by what I said. The Damato style was one dimensional and overrated. Especially for heavyweights. Only one heavyweight was ever great using that style and he was literally a one in a billion specimen, with all the right attributes, physical traits and measurements and temperament wrapped into one human. Cus needed him not the other way around, though I don't claim that he didn't do great things as a trainer with that kid.

The style is not some big secret, and believe you me many fighters have idolzed Tyson and tried to emulate him. But it just isn't practical. It's too explosive and taxing, you can't keep that up past the early rounds even if you have the insane genetics to generate that kind of speed, power and athleticsm. Hell even Tyson himself would lose the flash by the mid rounds and started becoming less effective as the fight progressed.

It's s tyle for short stocky HW's and they get tied up and leaned on by bigger HW's while getting outpointed from long range. In the end you will end up with a jacked up back and neck by the time you're 30 with all that taxing movement.

[Nash out]

Cus D'Amato is only remembered as an excuse for Mike Tyson. Tyson only ever lost 'cause of Cus D'Amato (a **** average trainer by the way) and Asian hoes. Nash respects Asian hoes, but not as en excuse for losing to C-Level Douglas, who himself was balls deep in Asian booty. Nash is a speaker of the truth, he heats the roof. Nash out.

[QueensburyRules]

I stand by what I said. The Damato style was one dimensional and overrated. Especially for heavyweights. Only one heavyweight was ever great using that style and he was literally a one in a billion specimen, with all the right attributes, physical traits and measurements and temperament wrapped into one human. Cus needed him not the other way around, though I don't claim that he didn't do great things as a trainer with that kid.

The style is not some big secret, and believe you me many fighters have idolzed Tyson and tried to emulate him. But it just isn't practical. It's too explosive and taxing, you can't keep that up past the early rounds even if you have the insane genetics to generate that kind of speed, power and athleticsm. Hell even Tyson himself would lose the flash by the mid rounds and started becoming less effective as the fight progressed.

It's s tyle for short stocky HW's and they get tied up and leaned on by bigger HW's while getting outpointed from long range. In the end you will end up with a jacked up back and neck by the time you're 30 with all that taxing movement.

- - Jack Dempsey 6-1, 190 antithesis to short and stocky.

Really, U know not of what U blubber about. The crouching, shifting style still exists just as JJCorbetts jab and move style that Ali copied as does the Marquez counterpunch style as the 3 basic styles.

What's the Frequency, Kenneth