Langford says he floored Jack Johnson, and Johnson avoid purse offers

[Dr. Z]

Revelation? It’s a complete fabrication and has been fully understood as a fabrication for 80 plus years. Joe Woodman stated that Johnson easily beat Langford and that Sam never came close to knocking him down. It was all a lie and an admitted lie. No truth in it whatsoever.

Only replying to your stalker like self to clear one thing up. Woodman tried his best to get Johnson in the ring, including flip flopping on Langford 'sonly match with Johnson when Sam says he was 140 pounds, and the author of his book says was 20 years old. There was also a side bet that Langford who had virtually no experience at height would last this distance. Guess who won that one?

Okay, let me get this right, Johnson could not fishing a jr welterweight who was very young and green at heavyweight? Yep.

As for the rest of what Langford said, I find it funny some people use his words when he was trying to get a match but shun his words when he speaks his mind.

No Jeffries did not say I do not remember, he said I didn't keep track and started fighting in 1893, not 1896 as listed. If you know something about boxing, many early fights of the 19th and early 20th century are not registered. Its highly likely Jeffries had more than 23 fights,

[Dr. Z]

By the way. I love that you didn't even challenge Houdini. Just bowed down and changed the topic real quick. You made a whole thread just to talk about two lies that Langford told. LMAOOOOOO.


You are officially the History Section's dunce...next to Queenie

Houdini is a stalker like poster not worth the effort, however this time I did reply to shut him up again, which is rather easy. For the most part I ignore people like this. I noticed you have quite a few board feuds here. Gee, I wonder why? Should I act like you trying to help them out / arguing jumping on the pile? That's your MO, not mine. But do mind your P's and Q's here as I could change my mind. You should be very worried right about now....

Now are you going to give me Johnson's 3 best wins, or attempt to prove the words spoken are false, or course with film and photos's backing it up? Not the contract that Johnson did not honor. HA. For all I know two very short 168 pound and 140 pound men are in Johnson's top three wins, in your " opinion. "

[QueensburyRules]

- -HooDat? Supposition about how Jeff felt about his record...typical! He had better results vs Common opposition than Johnson. Moreover he was probably going back to his AMA days at the same club Corbett cut his teeth in, the Olympic Club as I seem to recall which is where the very underrated and forgotten baseball great Frank Chance may have made his boxing chops that Sully and Corbett praised highly.

[travestyny]

Houdini is a stalker like poster not worth the effort, however this time I did reply to shut him up again, which is rather easy. For the most part I ignore people like this. I noticed you have quite a few board feuds here. Gee, I wonder why? Should I act like you trying to help them out / arguing jumping on the pile? That's your MO, not mine. But do mind your P's and Q's here as I could change my mind. You should be very worried right about now....

Now are you going to give me Johnson's 3 best wins, or attempt to prove the words spoken are false, or course with film and photos's backing it up? Not the contract that Johnson did not honor. HA. For all I know two very short 168 pound and 140 pound men are in Johnson's top three wins, in your " opinion. "

LMAO. Shut up you psychotic bltch. The fact that I answered your question a month ago, and proved that to you, and about 4 more times since then and yet you are still asking me the same question shows that you're obviously not right in the head. I don't know if I beat you senseless or if you arrived that way. I knew you were pretty kooky with your koolaid politics but that doesn't always carry over to the other sections of this forum. If the ignore function were functioning properly, I would have saved myself the time from responding to a buffoon, and I would have saved you further embarrassment.

Do let me know when Mr. Clay Moyle comes through. I'm finally convinced that your ball-less act is actually a reality. You've been exposed so many different times that you simply couldn't hide it I suppose. And frankly, I'm tired of playing with the broken clown.

[Lomadeaux]

Travestyny,

Should I ask for film and photo of everything as you do ? I think under such terms you'd be out of business. Spraying newspaper headlines around as if they were fact. HA! I give observations from those who were ringside and quote the fighters words. See the difference?

A historian should know that fighters often gave their weights back then and did not weight in, but then again you're not a historian. Sam said he was 140. Also, there was a side bet if Langford would last the distance. Johnson could not stop a 140 pound man, who by the time of the fight had little or no heavyweight experience and was estimated to be 20 years old. He also backed out of a signed agreement, that is if you can read.

By the way are you ever going to tell me who in your opinion was Johnson's three best wins? Your ducking ability might be better than Johnson himself. I already answered you kindergarten level questions. . Johnson had MULTIPLE offers to fight Langford, not just three. I can sign the ones where the money fired out too and act like I'm not ducking.

You seem new to this forum. You understand that dude stayed online for 24 or so straight hours trying to “win” on here right? Do yourself a favor and stay away from that dude. Trust me. He’s mentally deranged.

[HOUDINI563]

Again it is well known and well understood boxing history, undisputed, that Langford never came close to knocking Johnson down. It was a completely one sided bout and Sam was brought to a hospital at fights end. Woodman, Langfords manager, stated specifically Sam never knocked Johnson down. Why repeat lies?

Langford was lighter in weight than prime but so was Johnson.

“In an open letter to The Ring magazine in 1934, Johnson wrote: “I have accounts of the fight from my dear old friend, Tad (legendary sports writer and cartoonist Tad Dorgan) which show how badly Sam Langford was whipped. Please note the account of our fifteen-round fight at Chelsea, Mass., which I am enclosing. The report shows that I gave poor Sam such a severe trimming that he had to find his way into a hospital to recuperate. The records of that fight prove that statement to be correct.”
“Langford was among the five fighters to whom I gave the worst beatings in all my career. This quintet was composed of Jim Jeffries, Tommy Burns, Sam Langford, Sailor Burke and Frank Childs.”
To his dying day in 1972, Ring editor Nat Fleischer maintained that Jack Johnson was the greatest of all the heavyweights. Understandably, Nat was eager to get to the bottom of the Johnson-Langford controversy. In his 1958 book, ’50 Years at Ringside’, Fleischer produced the testimony of his father-in-law, Dad Phillips, who allegedly saw the fight.

Said Phillips: “Jack Johnson decisively defeated Sam Langford. He was complete master of the situation. Jack so far outclassed Langford that for a time, until he purposely eased up on his onslaughts, the fight was one-sided.

“Langford was dropped twice for counts of nine, and he would have been out the first time if referee Martin Flaherty had not slowed up the count. At the end of the fight, Sam had to be taken to a hospital.

“As for Langford dropping Johnson, that’s absurd. Why, he couldn’t land on Jack.”

Sam’s alleged knockdown of Jack continued to bug Nat Fleischer, who had to find the truth from the nearest equivalent of the horse’s mouth. Nat cornered Langford’s former manager Joe Woodman and good-naturedly demanded the true version of events.

According to Fleischer, this was Woodman’s response: “You’ve got me, Nat. Langford never dropped Johnson. But I was anxious to fix up another fight between the two and, knowing Jack’s pride, I invented the story of that knockdown to goad him into the ring against Sam again.
“Although it never happened, all the newspapermen believed it. They just never took the trouble to investigate. That knockdown was just a publicity gimmick.”

[BattlingNelson]

I've cleaned up a little in this thread. Guys. Please refrain from personal attacks in this section. Go here instead:

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/non-boxing-talk/the-thunderdome

[GhostofDempsey]

Travestyny,

Should I ask for film and photo of everything as you do ? I think under such terms you'd be out of business. Spraying newspaper headlines around as if they were fact. HA! I give observations from those who were ringside and quote the fighters words. See the difference?

A historian should know that fighters often gave their weights back then and did not weight in, but then again you're not a historian. Sam said he was 140. Also, there was a side bet if Langford would last the distance. Johnson could not stop a 140 pound man, who by the time of the fight had little or no heavyweight experience and was estimated to be 20 years old. He also backed out of a signed agreement, that is if you can read.

By the way are you ever going to tell me who in your opinion was Johnson's three best wins? Your ducking ability might be better than Johnson himself. I already answered you kindergarten level questions. . Johnson had MULTIPLE offers to fight Langford, not just three. I can sign the ones where the money fired out too and act like I'm not ducking.

Actually, he did call Langford a liar, when Langford stated he was never given a legit or rightful shot at the title while Johnson was champion. He also called Jeannette and McVea liars as well. He will defend Johnson to his last dying breath. He'll do so with obscure and anonymous news clippings that he recycles from thread to thread. We all know that if Johnson truly wanted to defend his title to those three fighters, he would have done so and they would have been far more lucrative than the ass whooping he got from Jim Johnson who fought him to a draw. The only black fighter he gave a title shot to and a cherry pick gone wrong.

[The Old LefHook]

It is not my mess, Battilda.

[QueensburyRules]

- -I sorta enjoyed Sam talking about Mistah Johnson. Anyone know if Mistah Johnson was in attendence when Sam Strapped a masterclass on Jeannette for Mistah Johnson's stripped title? That was the time when their rematch could've been scheduled.