Most Often Mentioned Fighters.

[Marchegiano]

Yep, the same one or two posters got that deep Dempsey hate, so it’s endless threads for attention. Any mention of him is like a dog whistle to a certain poster here. Accompanied by hundred year old anonymous news “sources”.

On multiple occasions I have started threads about less spoken fighters and coaches and they get little to no participation. It goes to show how many casuals there are who aren’t really interested in boxing history as much as they are the race of a fighter.

To be fair, I feel like my best historical work goes more or less ignored where as a Dempsey thread gets reactions, and, I'm here for interaction so...I write to my audience kinda.

I have a more complete history of boxing authority than any resource you can find online. It's posted here, no one really gave a ****.

I have probably the longest and most complete list of champions and dates found online too, no one gives a ****.

Origins? Only if y'all want Shoulder and I to argue semantics, no offense to Shoulder and I'm not saying his point is invalid it's just for me no sport means no sport.

How boxing went from a long dead sport to an English sport is posted here, y'all don't give a ****.

How the transition took place from lineal to body boxing and from LPRR to QB boxing is one of my favorite subjects....my favorite subjects don't matter though.

Sullivan through Burns gets some interaction but there's so few controversy we're all basically just saying the same ****. It's too bad the police stopped Sully-Godfrey is pretty much unanimous. Corbett I can get a little more out of because of Maher. Fitzsimmons is universally respected so if we all wanna sit around saying yay fitzs I'll write more Fitzs. Jerffries just leads to Johnson. Hart just leads to Johnson. Burns just leads to Johnson. Johnson is a main focus of this history section, I write on him plenty. Willard just leads back to Johnson or forward to Dempsey.

I worked through history to get to this point. I started with ancient ****ers and went right through in order until I found Dempsey is what y'all really like to talk about. Maybe y'all would get into the 30s as much, I dunno, I'm still doing the 20s and why Jack Dempsey appears more than anyone else in Kevin Smith's books about black fighters. Unless you feel there's been some kind of consensus met then I feel like we've more Dempsey to cover until a point where the forum has a consensus and is tired of talking about it just like how y'all have a consensus on Maher not being a champion even though I personally feel like he should be.

One dude won every combat sport in his time without giving a single point and made famous the idea men should not have sex before a fight. You know how I know you are not interested in him? I already made that thread and you already forgot or did not click it in the first place.

One man had the idea of digging up Greek **** to show value in heathen history during the Puritan movement in Europe. You know how I know that's not a provocative subject? No one gave a damn when I dropped that history.

Is it really my fault you can read my opinion on everything boxing up to Dempsey and not really give a ****, but, mention Dempsey and the Ghost is def in the thread along with dini, queen, rusty, and now dr.z?


Seeking attention is exactly what I am doing. It's how you get an array of perspectives on a subject, which, is 100% why I am here.

[GhostofDempsey]

To be fair, I feel like my best historical work goes more or less ignored where as a Dempsey thread gets reactions, and, I'm here for interaction so...I write to my audience kinda.

I have a more complete history of boxing authority than any resource you can find online. It's posted here, no one really gave a ****.

I have probably the longest and most complete list of champions and dates found online too, no one gives a ****.

Origins? Only if y'all want Shoulder and I to argue semantics, no offense to Shoulder and I'm not saying his point is invalid it's just for me no sport means no sport.

How boxing went from a long dead sport to an English sport is posted here, y'all don't give a ****.

How the transition took place from lineal to body boxing and from LPRR to QB boxing is one of my favorite subjects....my favorite subjects don't matter though.

Sullivan through Burns gets some interaction but there's so few controversy we're all basically just saying the same ****. It's too bad the police stopped Sully-Godfrey is pretty much unanimous. Corbett I can get a little more out of because of Maher. Fitzsimmons is universally respected so if we all wanna sit around saying yay fitzs I'll write more Fitzs. Jerffries just leads to Johnson. Hart just leads to Johnson. Burns just leads to Johnson. Johnson is a main focus of this history section, I write on him plenty. Willard just leads back to Johnson or forward to Dempsey.

I worked through history to get to this point. I started with ancient ****ers and went right through in order until I found Dempsey is what y'all really like to talk about. Maybe y'all would get into the 30s as much, I dunno, I'm still doing the 20s and why Jack Dempsey appears more than anyone else in Kevin Smith's books about black fighters. Unless you feel there's been some kind of consensus met then I feel like we've more Dempsey to cover until a point where the forum has a consensus and is tired of talking about it just like how y'all have a consensus on Maher not being a champion even though I personally feel like he should be.

One dude won every combat sport in his time without giving a single point and made famous the idea men should not have sex before a fight. You know how I know you are not interested in him? I already made that thread and you already forgot or did not click it in the first place.

One man had the idea of digging up Greek **** to show value in heathen history during the Puritan movement in Europe. You know how I know that's not a provocative subject? No one gave a damn when I dropped that history.

Is it really my fault you can read my opinion on everything boxing up to Dempsey and not really give a ****, but, mention Dempsey and the Ghost is def in the thread along with dini, queen, rusty, and now dr.z?


Seeking attention is exactly what I am doing. It's how you get an array of perspectives on a subject, which, is 100% why I am here.

I actually only participate in about half of the Dempsey threads I see. Most of them are bashing threads or bait, so I ignore them. It's redundant and borderline trolling. I notice you didn't mention your good friend Travesty as one of the bloodhounds who comes running to any Dempsey thread, or starts many of them. Notice, he never once mentioned the man until I signed on at Boxingscene and did some Floyd bashing. He's been obsessed ever since. He also doesn't participate in any history threads unless it's about Dempsey, Ali or Johnson.

From the early 1900's to the prior decade, there have been hundreds of fighters worth discussing for one reason or another. Not a lot of interest or insight here outside of the same ten or so fighters throughout the century. If you're posting about boxing or combat sports from 500 years ago, you're probably not going to get all that much of a response, particularly when most people don't know or care about anything that happened in that era, unless of course they are on another worn out topic about race.

Seeking attention for the sake of banter, civil discussion or even heated debates is one thing. Seeking the attention of others in order to "win" an argument as some personal triumph is another...it's pathetic.

[Marchegiano]

I actually only participate in about half of the Dempsey threads I see. Most of them are bashing threads or bait, so I ignore them. It's redundant and borderline trolling. I notice you didn't mention your good friend Travesty as one of the bloodhounds who comes running to any Dempsey thread, or starts many of them. Notice, he never once mentioned the man until I signed on at Boxingscene and did some Floyd bashing. He's been obsessed ever since. He also doesn't participate in any history threads unless it's about Dempsey, Ali or Johnson.

From the early 1900's to the prior decade, there have been hundreds of fighters worth discussing for one reason or another. Not a lot of interest or insight here outside of the same ten or so fighters throughout the century. If you're posting about boxing or combat sports from 500 years ago, you're probably not going to get all that much of a response, particularly when most people don't know or care about anything that happened in that era, unless of course they are on another worn out topic about race.

Seeking attention for the sake of banter, civil discussion or even heated debates is one thing. Seeking the attention of others in order to "win" an argument as some personal triumph is another...it's pathetic.

I am a Floyd fan

On Trav, we hardly have direct interaction so he's hardly ever in my CP or now messages. I've a lot of quotes from y'all so they're who stand in my mind. I didn't mean to write propaganda just because Trav and I tend to be on the same page. You're right, I should have named him...and probably myself too.

On popularity. No one really needs to be told ancient history is for nerds Or that, say Primo on the other end of time, isn't so popular. I expected Dempsey to be a bit of a tough character to get through. I didn't expect so many strong feelings tbh, but, I probably should have given he was the most famous and still is one of the most famous boxers ever. And on that line of logic I always felt like it's obvious why everyone has a Jack Dempsey ducked me tale. He's Jack ****ing Dempsey....he ducked everyone he did not fight because everyone wanted a pay day. And I'd say the same about Floyd. I'm fully aware most of the time it's the word duck people have issue with, blame for the fight not happening. If we worded things differently and kept the idea Jack's super famous in the forefront I'm sure I'd get different interactions. It's really semantics to get at information.

I might at times come off as a need-to-win but what really happened is I learned from BN24's forum people respond with more information if they are arguing. I don't think it's character flaws that drive that so much as when everyone agrees there's an extreme lack of thoughts to provoke other thoughts. For example, if in the Johnson-Dempsey secrete fight all I got was it didn't happen then I wouldn't have put in the effort to find Ray's other papers. Which even after signing up and paying for access was about 4 hours of searching then everything coming quickly. So if Included the time it took me to find all that **** it's 10 hours I have in that thread. I'm willing to do the work but without Willie asking the question I wouldn't have thought to do it. I was satisfied with my own answers until someone wasn't and it was more than feelings they were expressing.

So, Yep, trolling and seeking attention I don't always believe what I say and I say it specifically to get a reaction, but, I am learning so....yeah.


What I mean to say is I can write diplomatic or at least put some effort into writing diplomatically but that'll get me results similar to just writing about ancient ****ers.

[travestyny]

I am a Floyd fan

On Trav, we hardly have direct interaction so he's hardly ever in my CP or now messages. I've a lot of quotes from y'all so they're who stand in my mind. I didn't mean to write propaganda just because Trav and I tend to be on the same page. You're right, I should have named him...and probably myself too.

On popularity. No one really needs to be told ancient history is for nerds Or that, say Primo on the other end of time, isn't so popular. I expected Dempsey to be a bit of a tough character to get through. I didn't expect so many strong feelings tbh, but, I probably should have given he was the most famous and still is one of the most famous boxers ever. And on that line of logic I always felt like it's obvious why everyone has a Jack Dempsey ducked me tale. He's Jack ****ing Dempsey....he ducked everyone he did not fight because everyone wanted a pay day. And I'd say the same about Floyd. I'm fully aware most of the time it's the word duck people have issue with, blame for the fight not happening. If we worded things differently and kept the idea Jack's super famous in the forefront I'm sure I'd get different interactions. It's really semantics to get at information.

I might at times come off as a need-to-win but what really happened is I learned from BN24's forum people respond with more information if they are arguing. I don't think it's character flaws that drive that so much as when everyone agrees there's an extreme lack of thoughts to provoke other thoughts. For example, if in the Johnson-Dempsey secrete fight all I got was it didn't happen then I wouldn't have put in the effort to find Ray's other papers. Which even after signing up and paying for access was about 4 hours of searching then everything coming quickly. So if Included the time it took me to find all that **** it's 10 hours I have in that thread. I'm willing to do the work but without Willie asking the question I wouldn't have thought to do it. I was satisfied with my own answers until someone wasn't and it was more than feelings they were expressing.

So, Yep, trolling and seeking attention I don't always believe what I say and I say it specifically to get a reaction, but, I am learning so....yeah.


What I mean to say is I can write diplomatic or at least put some effort into writing diplomatically but that'll get me results similar to just writing about ancient ****ers.

LMAO. Poor GhostofForgery still crying. Wah wah wahhhhh.


He's right I didn't post about Dempsey before his Floyd bashing. And you know why? This fool used to follow me around and during my conversations with other people, he would bring up me being a Mayweather fan out of nowhere. Like the topic would be "The sky is so blue today." Another dude I'm talking to might say, "Nah, I think it's purple." Then here comes GhostofForgery, "Travestyny is a Mayweather lover. Mayweather this, Mayweather that."

So it was an easy decision for me to look into his hero and I made the simple point to him:

HE WAS JUST LIKE MAYWEATHER.

Allegations of ducking? Check.

Allegations of domestic abuse? Check.

Allegations of cheating? Check.

GhostofForgery didn't like that very much. But what was so much more interesting is that when I did further research...I found that besides the domestic abuse claim, Dempsey was far more likely to be gulity fo these things than Mayweather!

I first ran into the story of Jeannette in NY. When I was discussing that here, everyone kept deflecting to Harry Wills and saying, "It was the times...it was the times." I told them repeatedly...."I've heard that it was the times. I'm not discussing Harry Wills." Once they kept deflecting...I looked into it myself....and surprise surprise... I found the court brief on the broken contract.


At that point, I never trusted anything I was told. I always made an effort to look into what really happened on my own from as many sources as I could. And I found out a whole lot that folks here don't like


As for me posting about the black Heavyweights at around this time, yea so what? I have an interest in the Black heavyweights during this time. That doesn't mean I don't have an interest in others like Greb, Marciano, Pep, etc. But I've done the most research regarding heavyweights in this particular era. I have lots of interest in Sonny Liston and Ali as well, but I haven't made any threads about them because I find this era to be more interesting, which is what fed into my desire to learn more about what happened then.

If someone doesn't like that, it's simply too bad. And I've stood up on all of the information I've posted here. Not my fault if a bunch of suckers get mad because the truth hurts

[Marchegiano]

LMAO. Poor GhostofForgery still crying. Wah wah wahhhhh.


He's right I didn't post about Dempsey before his Floyd bashing. And you know why? This fool used to follow me around and during my conversations with other people, he would bring up me being a Mayweather fan out of nowhere. Like the topic would be "The sky is so blue today." Another dude I'm talking to might say, "Nah, I think it's purple." Then here comes GhostofForgery, "Travestyny is a Mayweather lover. Mayweather this, Mayweather that."

So it was an easy decision for me to look into his hero and I made the simple point to him:

HE WAS JUST LIKE MAYWEATHER.

Allegations of ducking? Check.

Allegations of domestic abuse? Check.

Allegations of cheating? Check.

GhostofForgery didn't like that very much. But what was so much more interesting is that when I did further research...I found that besides the domestic abuse claim, Dempsey was far more likely to be gulity fo these things than Mayweather!

I first ran into the story of Jeannette in NY. When I was discussing that here, everyone kept deflecting to Harry Wills and saying, "It was the times...it was the times." I told them repeatedly...."I've heard that it was the times. I'm not discussing Harry Wills." Once they kept deflecting...I looked into it myself....and surprise surprise... I found the court brief on the broken contract.


At that point, I never trusted anything I was told. I always made an effort to look into what really happened on my own from as many sources as I could. And I found out a whole lot that folks here don't like


As for me posting about the black Heavyweights at around this time, yea so what? I have an interest in the Black heavyweights during this time. That doesn't mean I don't have an interest in others like Greb, Marciano, Pep, etc. But I've done the most research regarding heavyweights in this particular era. I have lots of interest in Sonny Liston and Ali as well, but I haven't made any threads about them because I find this era to be more interesting, which is what fed into my desire to learn more about what happened then.

If someone doesn't like that, it's simply too bad. And I've stood up on all of the information I've posted here. Not my fault if a bunch of suckers get mad because the truth hurts

I definitely see the similarities, and, can't say I'd do any differently myself. I get followers from time to time, harassers who would try to change my mind through cyber-force. I even picked up a death threat from Juggs, the resident flat-skulled cro-magnon. Because I'm a Marciano fan who can't be talked out of it by convention means. I'm a fan of his style not his 0 or resume, though I will defend both. I just go hard on them fools Juggs I doubt I'll ever extend an olive branch to, and, probably will continue to go out of my way to talk **** at for the rest of my time on BS.

Dempsey, Money, Ali, Mendoza, Sullivan, Johnson, etc. Are all very similar men. Usually underrated for their intelligence, and, if I were a Dempsey protector, that's what I'd go with. Jack was too smart to risk even looking bad let alone a loss if he didn't have to because he wasn't protecting a boxing legacy he's protecting a super star legacy. Transcendent. It's too bad fans of one are not fans of another but it's not uncommon. Show me another Mayweather fan who is also a Marciano fan. Not just "I like Rock he's okay" but all about Rocky and Money. Those are the ATG 0s...wtf I get so frustrated as a fan who loves the barbarians and the craftsmen I've totally given up on that gap and even stoked the fire myself from time to time.

you can see me talking **** about Rock for Money and vice verse, usually I'll back whoever has less backing him at that time.

Another one is Wilder and Marciano. They have like the exact same ****ing style. Superficially different because of their different body types but as far as mindset and game plan goes, same. Patience, powerline, posturing, I believed in Wilder's power straight away because as a Rocky fan I damn well know when I'm seeing The Rock and Wilder's got that game. Maybe not the chin, but the power is there and how to get in is there too. Rocky fans don't like Wilder. Wilder fans don't like Rocky. Sometimes they make it obvious, race, but still, frustrating as ****.

I'm a little different. For me, I like to learn the facts from the source of those facts, but, I don't very much like to let myself get carried away with forming opinions on those facts until I have had other input.

Back in 2016 is when I started my champions and authorities lists. At first, I was just frustrated popping from Boxrec to CBZ to IBRO to IBHOF and back to form a timeline so i was cobbling the lists together without checking anything. That led to quick corrections from knowledgeable fans so I learned to go to the source materials. Usually newspaper. Two things come of that. 1 I was wrong alot because I didn't have the full scoop. For example Jim Dunn is or was on my list. He did claim the world HW title once but the clippings I saw didn't have him as claimant. They were just talking about the champ. Other posters showed me proof his title run is more of a pretense title run. He has a claim, but others had stronger claims. Another account had Woruld losing to Logun Logun is a Spring opponent. I don't think Joe was even alive. So I like to get others opinions on what they're looking at because at lot of the time even with a source I can be very wrong.

I have this hunger to learn and it's just hard to not to get drawn into black HWs for the 1840s to the 1940s once you get into it. I was ready to read about the injustices and **** like that. Ready for the cartoons and the phonetic spelling, unfair treatment, unfair opinions, all of that. What I wasn't ready for was how hard it is. I don't doubt you have a heavy interest in black heavyweights of the era. They are some of the most compelling stories that are the hardest to find, and, that last bit really gets me. It's like, y'all, c'mon, you've poked and prodded these men every which way and then when you're done your final act of ****ery is to bury their history so it's harder to find and learn than ancient mothers? damn. I think it's humanity and the lack of humanity when dealing with black HWs of the time frame that really makes it all very interesting and the harder I have to work to know something the more satisfying the knowledge is. Ancients, middle ages, dueling, court systems, languages I don't speak like russian, german, and french, all of that is easier than finding the history of a great black HW from the even the 10s and 20s. Norfolk should have come easier than Klietomachos. I don't know that, that is an aspect of media racism or what but I do know no boxing fan ever needs to justify their interest in black boxing history because it's literally the hardest research to be done in boxing.

That said, continued racism, latent racism, micro racism, whatever you call it, I was't ready for that either. The colored championships lineage IMO should be part of the lineal lineage as a predecessor lineage no different than the English and American titles. Starts with English then America comes and when you combine them you get the world but there's a colorline until there isn't. That's just history, I don't understand why we don't recognize the black lineage, and I do feel like it is upholding racist beliefs. Another thing I was unprepared for is people not wanting me to edit racist phonetics. Like when I quoted Kendrick I wrote "Master Cribb" not "Massa Cribb" as recorded in the paper. I get people don't think history should be edited but unless the subject includes the racist coverage of the era I see no value in reprinting their racism. Folks tell me they're recording the sound of how those fighter spoke. I like Mark Twain. I like to type in phonetics. I get recording the sound in text, I love it. That's not what they were doing and we all know it. Fitzs, Maher, Sullivan, those are guys with accents. No one ever quotes any of them in phonetics. Almost never read an Irish cannae out of Maher let alone a full interview in his gaelic accent. Fitzs, not even sure what he sounded like. Cornish-English, Aussie, NZ, dude was all over, I've read a lot of Fitzs and a lot of Maher, hardly ever read them in phonetics. It is not some over the top diligence to history that has every black man recorded by a newspaper saying mistah instead mister. It's the discrimination and everyone knows it. Or, y'all expect me to believe all these foreign guys spoke like Americans but there was no James Earl Jones among any of the ye olden black men? You get me. Sullivan's famous quote are in phonetics but his interviews are not so much. Peter Jackson they will tell you speaks well and the quote the guy like he can't enunciate. Not that I have any issue with men who did speak that way. I'm sure the poking fun came from somewhere but it just reminds me of old men mocking rappers back in the 90s.

Just makes me want to gather more quotes and do right by the men who said that ****.


**** dude, didn't mean to write a novel. If you read all this, good for you man, I probably would have started skimming

[travestyny]

I definitely see the similarities, and, can't say I'd do any differently myself. I get followers from time to time, harassers who would try to change my mind through cyber-force. I even picked up a death threat from Juggs, the resident flat-skulled cro-magnon. Because I'm a Marciano fan who can't be talked out of it by convention means. I'm a fan of his style not his 0 or resume, though I will defend both. I just go hard on them fools Juggs I doubt I'll ever extend an olive branch to, and, probably will continue to go out of my way to talk **** at for the rest of my time on BS.

Dempsey, Money, Ali, Mendoza, Sullivan, Johnson, etc. Are all very similar men. Usually underrated for their intelligence, and, if I were a Dempsey protector, that's what I'd go with. Jack was too smart to risk even looking bad let alone a loss if he didn't have to because he wasn't protecting a boxing legacy he's protecting a super star legacy. Transcendent. It's too bad fans of one are not fans of another but it's not uncommon. Show me another Mayweather fan who is also a Marciano fan. Not just "I like Rock he's okay" but all about Rocky and Money. Those are the ATG 0s...wtf I get so frustrated as a fan who loves the barbarians and the craftsmen I've totally given up on that gap and even stoked the fire myself from time to time.

you can see me talking **** about Rock for Money and vice verse, usually I'll back whoever has less backing him at that time.

Another one is Wilder and Marciano. They have like the exact same ****ing style. Superficially different because of their different body types but as far as mindset and game plan goes, same. Patience, powerline, posturing, I believed in Wilder's power straight away because as a Rocky fan I damn well know when I'm seeing The Rock and Wilder's got that game. Maybe not the chin, but the power is there and how to get in is there too. Rocky fans don't like Wilder. Wilder fans don't like Rocky. Sometimes they make it obvious, race, but still, frustrating as ****.

I'm a little different. For me, I like to learn the facts from the source of those facts, but, I don't very much like to let myself get carried away with forming opinions on those facts until I have had other input.

Back in 2016 is when I started my champions and authorities lists. At first, I was just frustrated popping from Boxrec to CBZ to IBRO to IBHOF and back to form a timeline so i was cobbling the lists together without checking anything. That led to quick corrections from knowledgeable fans so I learned to go to the source materials. Usually newspaper. Two things come of that. 1 I was wrong alot because I didn't have the full scoop. For example Jim Dunn is or was on my list. He did claim the world HW title once but the clippings I saw didn't have him as claimant. They were just talking about the champ. Other posters showed me proof his title run is more of a pretense title run. He has a claim, but others had stronger claims. Another account had Woruld losing to Logun Logun is a Spring opponent. I don't think Joe was even alive. So I like to get others opinions on what they're looking at because at lot of the time even with a source I can be very wrong.

I have this hunger to learn and it's just hard to not to get drawn into black HWs for the 1840s to the 1940s once you get into it. I was ready to read about the injustices and **** like that. Ready for the cartoons and the phonetic spelling, unfair treatment, unfair opinions, all of that. What I wasn't ready for was how hard it is. I don't doubt you have a heavy interest in black heavyweights of the era. They are some of the most compelling stories that are the hardest to find, and, that last bit really gets me. It's like, y'all, c'mon, you've poked and prodded these men every which way and then when you're done your final act of ****ery is to bury their history so it's harder to find and learn than ancient mothers? damn. I think it's humanity and the lack of humanity when dealing with black HWs of the time frame that really makes it all very interesting and the harder I have to work to know something the more satisfying the knowledge is. Ancients, middle ages, dueling, court systems, languages I don't speak like russian, german, and french, all of that is easier than finding the history of a great black HW from the even the 10s and 20s. Norfolk should have come easier than Klietomachos. I don't know that, that is an aspect of media racism or what but I do know no boxing fan ever needs to justify their interest in black boxing history because it's literally the hardest research to be done in boxing.

That said, continued racism, latent racism, micro racism, whatever you call it, I was't ready for that either. The colored championships lineage IMO should be part of the lineal lineage as a predecessor lineage no different than the English and American titles. Starts with English then America comes and when you combine them you get the world but there's a colorline until there isn't. That's just history, I don't understand why we don't recognize the black lineage, and I do feel like it is upholding racist beliefs. Another thing I was unprepared for is people not wanting me to edit racist phonetics. Like when I quoted Kendrick I wrote "Master Cribb" not "Massa Cribb" as recorded in the paper. I get people don't think history should be edited but unless the subject includes the racist coverage of the era I see no value in reprinting their racism. Folks tell me they're recording the sound of how those fighter spoke. I like Mark Twain. I like to type in phonetics. I get recording the sound in text, I love it. That's not what they were doing and we all know it. Fitzs, Maher, Sullivan, those are guys with accents. No one ever quotes any of them in phonetics. Almost never read an Irish cannae out of Maher let alone a full interview in his gaelic accent. Fitzs, not even sure what he sounded like. Cornish-English, Aussie, NZ, dude was all over, I've read a lot of Fitzs and a lot of Maher, hardly ever read them in phonetics. It is not some over the top diligence to history that has every black man recorded by a newspaper saying mistah instead mister. It's the discrimination and everyone knows it. Or, y'all expect me to believe all these foreign guys spoke like Americans but there was no James Earl Jones among any of the ye olden black men? You get me. Sullivan's famous quote are in phonetics but his interviews are not so much. Peter Jackson they will tell you speaks well and the quote the guy like he can't enunciate. Not that I have any issue with men who did speak that way. I'm sure the poking fun came from somewhere but it just reminds me of old men mocking rappers back in the 90s.

Just makes me want to gather more quotes and do right by the men who said that ****.


**** dude, didn't mean to write a novel. If you read all this, good for you man, I probably would have started skimming

LMAO. Nah, I read every word. Good stuff.

By the way, I also read your first reply to GhostofForgery and I thought that was such a well thought out and great response, not that you should have had to defend yourself, but you definitely proved your point in that one! It's always been clear that you have lots of Knowledge about a wide range of topics and eras when it comes to boxing. We've agreed on some things and disagreed on some things but it's always been pleasant. But I wasn't surprised when after your first reply, the fool came back and asked you to discuss me....as if we are evil tag team partners or something. He's just upset that what we agree with is something that he doesn't.

It's actually really fascinating stuff what all of these boxers had to go through in that era, and to me, especially what the black boxers had to go through for many of the reasons that you've mentioned. I was thinking about trying to make a collection of the newspaper articles that use that "dialect" (maybe I should call it old school ebonics or something...?) and otherwise use racist language, but I think it might just turn out depressing. lol. Sometimes the things I run into just make me laugh, sometimes they make me shake my head, and sometimes I'm not even in the mood to see it. But if I'm not in the mood to see it, imaging living it. Crazy stuff! What I've also found interesting the few times I've run into it, is how different the Black newspaper articles are different. They certainly sometimes give a different perspective, but when you link to them and discuss them, people just dismiss it because it's a Black newspaper. They don't dismiss all of the white papers. Go figure.


By the way, I didn't know that Wilder fans were not fans of Rocky. I wonder why. Just many with racist agendas perhaps...? I remember having a PM conversation with someone with a Rocky avy....I couldn't remember if it were you or maybe Anthony, but I was left wanting to learn more about him and his era. Everyone talks so much about Ali but I think Rocky's era is a bit more interesting because it seems more mysterious to me, and Ali's era just seems like it had too much going on. lol. I've always wondered why Rocky wasn't ranked a bit higher due to being undefeated. You can only fight who is around, and I know the word is that his main competition was past their primes, but if that's all that were around...? I've never heard of him ducking anyone. Could you recommend a good book on Rocky? Maybe I'll get to reading it when I'm done with Unforgivable Blackness.

[GhostofDempsey]

I definitely see the similarities, and, can't say I'd do any differently myself. I get followers from time to time, harassers who would try to change my mind through cyber-force. I even picked up a death threat from Juggs, the resident flat-skulled cro-magnon. Because I'm a Marciano fan who can't be talked out of it by convention means. I'm a fan of his style not his 0 or resume, though I will defend both. I just go hard on them fools Juggs I doubt I'll ever extend an olive branch to, and, probably will continue to go out of my way to talk **** at for the rest of my time on BS.

Dempsey, Money, Ali, Mendoza, Sullivan, Johnson, etc. Are all very similar men. Usually underrated for their intelligence, and, if I were a Dempsey protector, that's what I'd go with. Jack was too smart to risk even looking bad let alone a loss if he didn't have to because he wasn't protecting a boxing legacy he's protecting a super star legacy. Transcendent. It's too bad fans of one are not fans of another but it's not uncommon. Show me another Mayweather fan who is also a Marciano fan. Not just "I like Rock he's okay" but all about Rocky and Money. Those are the ATG 0s...wtf I get so frustrated as a fan who loves the barbarians and the craftsmen I've totally given up on that gap and even stoked the fire myself from time to time.

you can see me talking **** about Rock for Money and vice verse, usually I'll back whoever has less backing him at that time.

Another one is Wilder and Marciano. They have like the exact same ****ing style. Superficially different because of their different body types but as far as mindset and game plan goes, same. Patience, powerline, posturing, I believed in Wilder's power straight away because as a Rocky fan I damn well know when I'm seeing The Rock and Wilder's got that game. Maybe not the chin, but the power is there and how to get in is there too. Rocky fans don't like Wilder. Wilder fans don't like Rocky. Sometimes they make it obvious, race, but still, frustrating as ****.

I'm a little different. For me, I like to learn the facts from the source of those facts, but, I don't very much like to let myself get carried away with forming opinions on those facts until I have had other input.

Back in 2016 is when I started my champions and authorities lists. At first, I was just frustrated popping from Boxrec to CBZ to IBRO to IBHOF and back to form a timeline so i was cobbling the lists together without checking anything. That led to quick corrections from knowledgeable fans so I learned to go to the source materials. Usually newspaper. Two things come of that. 1 I was wrong alot because I didn't have the full scoop. For example Jim Dunn is or was on my list. He did claim the world HW title once but the clippings I saw didn't have him as claimant. They were just talking about the champ. Other posters showed me proof his title run is more of a pretense title run. He has a claim, but others had stronger claims. Another account had Woruld losing to Logun Logun is a Spring opponent. I don't think Joe was even alive. So I like to get others opinions on what they're looking at because at lot of the time even with a source I can be very wrong.

I have this hunger to learn and it's just hard to not to get drawn into black HWs for the 1840s to the 1940s once you get into it. I was ready to read about the injustices and **** like that. Ready for the cartoons and the phonetic spelling, unfair treatment, unfair opinions, all of that. What I wasn't ready for was how hard it is. I don't doubt you have a heavy interest in black heavyweights of the era. They are some of the most compelling stories that are the hardest to find, and, that last bit really gets me. It's like, y'all, c'mon, you've poked and prodded these men every which way and then when you're done your final act of ****ery is to bury their history so it's harder to find and learn than ancient mothers? damn. I think it's humanity and the lack of humanity when dealing with black HWs of the time frame that really makes it all very interesting and the harder I have to work to know something the more satisfying the knowledge is. Ancients, middle ages, dueling, court systems, languages I don't speak like russian, german, and french, all of that is easier than finding the history of a great black HW from the even the 10s and 20s. Norfolk should have come easier than Klietomachos. I don't know that, that is an aspect of media racism or what but I do know no boxing fan ever needs to justify their interest in black boxing history because it's literally the hardest research to be done in boxing.

That said, continued racism, latent racism, micro racism, whatever you call it, I was't ready for that either. The colored championships lineage IMO should be part of the lineal lineage as a predecessor lineage no different than the English and American titles. Starts with English then America comes and when you combine them you get the world but there's a colorline until there isn't. That's just history, I don't understand why we don't recognize the black lineage, and I do feel like it is upholding racist beliefs. Another thing I was unprepared for is people not wanting me to edit racist phonetics. Like when I quoted Kendrick I wrote "Master Cribb" not "Massa Cribb" as recorded in the paper. I get people don't think history should be edited but unless the subject includes the racist coverage of the era I see no value in reprinting their racism. Folks tell me they're recording the sound of how those fighter spoke. I like Mark Twain. I like to type in phonetics. I get recording the sound in text, I love it. That's not what they were doing and we all know it. Fitzs, Maher, Sullivan, those are guys with accents. No one ever quotes any of them in phonetics. Almost never read an Irish cannae out of Maher let alone a full interview in his gaelic accent. Fitzs, not even sure what he sounded like. Cornish-English, Aussie, NZ, dude was all over, I've read a lot of Fitzs and a lot of Maher, hardly ever read them in phonetics. It is not some over the top diligence to history that has every black man recorded by a newspaper saying mistah instead mister. It's the discrimination and everyone knows it. Or, y'all expect me to believe all these foreign guys spoke like Americans but there was no James Earl Jones among any of the ye olden black men? You get me. Sullivan's famous quote are in phonetics but his interviews are not so much. Peter Jackson they will tell you speaks well and the quote the guy like he can't enunciate. Not that I have any issue with men who did speak that way. I'm sure the poking fun came from somewhere but it just reminds me of old men mocking rappers back in the 90s.

Just makes me want to gather more quotes and do right by the men who said that ****.


**** dude, didn't mean to write a novel. If you read all this, good for you man, I probably would have started skimming

I never followed that racist psychotic anywhere. When I got on this forum Travesty stalked me all over the site. When I put him on ignore he blew up my visitor messages with crazy ass posts. This is his M.O., the guy is always engaged in some sort of long-standing e-beef with various members here in his quest to "win" another self-congratulatory trophy. Forgery? I post sources from historians, books, and articles that aren't anonymous, that clown photoshops and forges PM messages and drops the same old anonymous and obscure sources. He calls Langford and Jeannette and McVea liars. He's a clown and a troll. Should have been banned from this entire site long ago. He did get temp bans for his racism and harassment. Just like his BFF Chollo who is the worst racist on this site and someone he never called out, not once.

[travestyny]

Oh, he don't think I have receipts? I have receipts, GhostofForgery.


Here I am asking why the fuvvcvk you're even talking about me if you have me on ignore, and then you start ranting about Mayweather like a mad man THE THREAD HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MAYWEATHER AND NO ONE MENTIONED MAYWEATHER UP TO THAT POINT. The thread didn't even have anything to do with ME but I guess you needed to mention my name.


From 2017!!!






Anyone can check the whole thread out and see for themselves.


Dude was ****ing following me around mentioning me out of nowhere then raving about Mayweather like a mad dog out of the blue. He's seriously one of the most emotional females I know.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/n...a-lesson/page2


After I got sick of his dumb ass routine, I began looking into Dempsey's history. Guess who's been crying a river ever since Crying because he can't handle the truth. Take it like a man, GhostofForgery.

[The Old LefHook]

If you think Hafey ducked someone, spill it, Pepper.

[The Old LefHook]

I like the idea of a boxer receiving an unexpected amount of press. We expect Dempsey & Johnson et al to be talked about a lot, for they were famous champions.

I am more intrigued by the question "which non-champion receives the most press of all time?" And here there seems to be an easy answer--Langford, with no near competitors. The man was never a champion at any division (other than colored champion) yet there are constant threads on the diminutive negro. He may have been a hella fighter.