Prime Bhop could stop prime Hearns

[TheGreatA]

You are the idiot, you didnt veen know mike tysons most recognizied combo was right hook to the body and right uppercut to the head, also...he got koed against ray leonard in the first fight, in therematch at 160, he deserved to win, you do the maths? you know nothing about boxing.

Well, I don't quite see your logic because both were old men by the time they fought in a rematch and Hearns was once again on his way out in the 12th round. He would have won the first fight had it been a 12 rounder.

I personally think that Hearns was at his best at 154 lbs. He was too tall to make the 147 lb limit comfortably and not strong enough against the big middleweights. Barkley came in as a light heavy to his middleweight fights.

154 was a perfect weight for him, but it didn't have the big names and the possible superfights that the welterweight and middleweight divisions had.

[ironalex]

Well, I don't quite see your logic because both were old men by the time they fought in a rematch and Hearns was once again on his way out in the 12th round. He would have won the first fight had it been a 12 rounder.

I personally think that Hearns was at his best at 154 lbs. He was too tall to make the 147 lb limit comfortably and not strong enough against the big middleweights. Barkley came in as a light heavy to his middleweight fights.

154 was a perfect weight for him, but it didn't have the big names and the possible superfights that the welterweight and middleweight divisions had.

I know A, my logic was inccorect, was just trying to state facts to back up my theory. I agree with you 154 was his best weight.

[Obama]

Well, I don't quite see your logic because both were old men by the time they fought in a rematch and Hearns was once again on his way out in the 12th round. He would have won the first fight had it been a 12 rounder.

I personally think that Hearns was at his best at 154 lbs. He was too tall to make the 147 lb limit comfortably and not strong enough against the big middleweights. Barkley came in as a light heavy to his middleweight fights.

154 was a perfect weight for him, but it didn't have the big names and the possible superfights that the welterweight and middleweight divisions had.

I don't really think he had a problem at 147 in his youth. Leonard made him come in the ring even smaller than that in their first fight. He looked just as drained fighting Leonard 8 years later @ 162.5 lbs. Only real difference being was that Tommy learned how to hold, and only had to go 12 rounds instead of 15. In other words, stamina simply was just always an issue for Tommy.

Also...Hearns has like 2 of the 3 best names in the W column on his resume from the 154 division (Duran & Benitez).

[Benncollinsaad]

Just because Hopkins was never kayoed in his career (so far) doesn't mean he has the best chin ever. It's more because he is so careful against big punchers and hasn't fought that many in the first place. Tito Trinidad? Nah, he's a welterweight, LMW at best. You can't consider him a big puncher against Hopkins, who was a LHW in real life.

I believe Hopkins would fight well against Hearns for the first six rounds, then Hearns would stop him in the next two or three.

[TheGreatA]

I don't really think he had a problem at 147 in his youth. Leonard made him come in the ring even smaller than that in their first fight. He looked just as drained fighting Leonard 8 years later @ 162.5 lbs. Only real difference being was that Tommy learned how to hold, and only had to go 12 rounds instead of 15. In other words, stamina simply was just always an issue for Tommy.

Also...Hearns has like 2 of the 3 best names in the W column on his resume from the 154 division (Duran & Benitez).

I don't know about Leonard making him do it but Hearns did indeed come in at 145 and Gil Clancy commentated that it would likely drain him in the later rounds, which it seemingly did. He had nothing left by the 14th.

At 154 he could go the distance very comfortably I thought.

When he fought Leonard a second time, he was simply washed up (as was Leonard) and was damn near knocked out by James Kinchen in his previous fight. How he somehow managed to pull out a performance like he did against Virgil Hill I'll never truly know.

Hearns had his best wins at 154 but aside from Duran and Benitez, there were no other great challengers at the weight. He had to move up to 160 to make the superfight with Marvin Hagler.

[Obama]

Leonard made him come in small in order for Tommy to earn the paycheck he deserved.

How he managed to beat Hill I touched upon in the Virgill Hill thread.

[Obama]

Just because Hopkins was never kayoed in his career (so far) doesn't mean he has the best chin ever. It's more because he is so careful against big punchers and hasn't fought that many in the first place. Tito Trinidad? Nah, he's a welterweight, LMW at best. You can't consider him a big puncher against Hopkins, who was a LHW in real life.

I believe Hopkins would fight well against Hearns for the first six rounds, then Hearns would stop him in the next two or three.

You do realize Hearns came up from Welterweight just like Tito? You can talk about how Hearns had power at LHW all you want, but that's got a hell of a lot more to do with longevity rather than what these guys were like in their prime at 147. Tito was just as devastating there as Hearns. Furthermore, what Tito did to a prime Joppy was sick. After Hopkins beat Tito he later fought Joppy and was sure he could KO Joppy since Tito did it with ease and he KOed Tito. He was so sure he bet a couple hundred thousand dollars that it would come to past. The man then went on to land the highest amount of punches he's ever landed in his entire career. It was around 400 I believe. BUT, Joppy did not even get dropped, much less KOed.

I don't know about Leonard making him do it but Hearns did indeed come in at 145 and Gil Clancy commentated that it would likely drain him in the later rounds, which it seemingly did. He had nothing left by the 14th.

At 154 he could go the distance very comfortably I thought.

When he fought Leonard a second time, he was simply washed up (as was Leonard) and was damn near knocked out by James Kinchen in his previous fight. How he somehow managed to pull out a performance like he did against Virgil Hill I'll never truly know.

Hearns had his best wins at 154 but aside from Duran and Benitez, there were no other great challengers at the weight. He had to move up to 160 to make the superfight with Marvin Hagler.

Leonard made him come in small in order for Tommy to earn the paycheck he deserved.

How he managed to beat Hill I touched upon in the Virgill Hill thread.

[Dynamite Kid]

Hopkins is the favourite imo, but if he backs up from Hearns and does not get him outta centre ring Hearns could very well win the fight.

Hopkins was a big 160 pounder.

[Benncollinsaad]

You do realize Hearns came up from Welterweight just like Tito? You can talk about how Hearns had power at LHW all you want, but that's got a hell of a lot more to do with longevity rather than what these guys were like in their prime at 147. Tito was just as devastating there as Hearns. Furthermore, what Tito did to a prime Joppy was sick. After Hopkins beat Tito he later fought Joppy and was sure he could KO Joppy since Tito did it with ease and he KOed Tito. He was so sure he bet a couple hundred thousand dollars that it would come to past. The man then went on to land the highest amount of punches he's ever landed in his entire career. It was around 400 I believe. BUT, Joppy did not even get dropped, much less KOed.



Leonard made him come in small in order for Tommy to earn the paycheck he deserved.

How he managed to beat Hill I touched upon in the Virgill Hill thread.

Yes, but you are forgetting the fact that Tito was caught with those handwraps before the Hopkins fight. And I seriously DOUBT he didn't use them against Joppy. Joppy was also only stopped by Lucian Bute elsewhere. And it was after 10 rounds and he was way past his prime. My point is proven with the Hopkins-Joppy fight. As you said, Hopkins couldn't even knock him down. And Tito could, even with the extra handwraps Joppy was still very tough.

[StarshipTrooper]

You are the idiot, you didnt veen know mike tysons most recognizied combo was right hook to the body and right uppercut to the head, also...he got koed against ray leonard in the first fight, in therematch at 160, he deserved to win, you do the maths? you know nothing about boxing.

I said his favortite combo was the STRAIGHT right to the body (read chest) leveraged into an uppercut to the head.....You're ignorant **** that thinks Tyson was a southpaw BTW, try THINKING for a change instead of acting like a prototypical dumb jock **********: A hook to the body (read ribs) isn't going to hit anything if leveraged into an uppercut. That only works with a straight punch not a looping one.....then again I wouldn't expect an uneducated caveman like yourself to know anything about physics and human anatomy ect.....not to mention basic geometry.

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