Dumbest fight plans ever!!

[#1Assassin]

I make a point of not calling anyone names Assassin. Calling me a 'tool' is juvenile.

Frazier didn't win a round in Foreman 2, he tried to copy a blue print from Ali, who was in everyway a stylistic and physically much physically different fighter. It was ridiculous that he even entertained the notion of dancing and moving and then rope a doping.

Granted Frazier landed some good left hooks during the fight and looked entertaining whilst slipping some of George's punches, he was a great heavyweight but come on it was a daft strategy.

what other choice did he have? lets just face it, frazier isnt gon beat foreman no matter how he fights. in the second fight he tried to catch foreman walking in with a big left hook, foreman took it well. he kept boxing and lasted longer. how can u say it was daft? what should he had done instead? gon straight at him and get destroyed in 2 rounds again?

[princemanspoper]

joe didnt fight badly at all, george just had too much power.

Don't sugarcoat his performance,he was ****d for the second time.The biggest reaction either got that night was when joe frazier revealed his silly bald head

[#1Assassin]

Don't sugarcoat his performance,he was ****d for the second time.The biggest reaction either got that night was when joe frazier revealed his silly bald head

bcuz it was a stylistic nightmare. like i said before, frazier would never beat foreman. if they fought 100 times gerorge would win 100 times. that said joe put on a good fight, showed skills and heart. and he didnt go quietly. he performed well he was just in with a man he could not beat.

i was impressed with his skills in that fight, aswell as the fact he wasnt too stubborn to adapt. he did the best he possibly could. landed more shots then the first fight and lasted longer.

and u shouldnt say he got ****d, its dissrespectful. u should get in the ring yourself, i know u havent cuz if u did u would have more respect for a warrior like frazier.

[TheGreatA]

I make a point of not calling anyone names Assassin. Calling me a 'tool' is juvenile.

Frazier didn't win a round in Foreman 2, he tried to copy a blue print from Ali, who was in everyway a stylistic and physically much physically different fighter. It was ridiculous that he even entertained the notion of dancing and moving and then rope a doping.

Granted Frazier landed some good left hooks during the fight and looked entertaining whilst slipping some of George's punches, he was a great heavyweight but come on it was a daft strategy.

I'm pretty sure he thought Foreman would run out of gas throwing and missing all of the punches that he did but he didn't. Joe's left hooks didn't affect him either.

Frazier did get awarded an even round in round 4 where he landed several counter hooks. He came out more aggressive in the 5th and got caught.



All in all I think the best fight he could've fought against Foreman would have been similar to how he fought George Chuvalo, moving in and out, landing combinations and getting out of the way. He was too over-confident the first time and too old and overweight the second time.

[Sugarj]

If Frazier were to fight Foreman ten times he'd probably get beat ten times, poor guy didn't have the sort of chin to absorb Foreman's blows or the reactions to dodge or block enough of them. I admire Joe for the sheer guts he showed getting in the ring that night.

But this was world class boxing, his trainer (I forget if Eddie Futch was with him this night!) had to know Frazier had little chance to win and the last place to survive against George was on the ropes! Ali had the height to pull away from alot of George's blows as he leaned back, but Frazier's 5ft 11 left him a sitting duck.

I couldn't recommend a winning strategy for Frazier. I'm not a world class trainer, he may have done a bit better with more lateral head movement or even by adopting an Archie Moore cross armed defense so as to negate the uppercuts and practiced throwing more counter right hands (he had a good right hand that was sorely underused). Now Foreman may have not expected that any more than a fleet footed Frazier, but either way its too hard an ask for Joe.

A jab and move style was tampering with him far too much, he'd never done this his whole career.

[TheGreatA]

[Sugarj]

Great find Great A.

Theres some nice bobbing from Joe there, hell he was a gold medal winner. Solid amateur credentials. I dont feel any version of Frazier beats Foreman, this one may have lasted to the seventh or eighth. Who knows!!

[bojangles1987]

Frazier really just couldn't beat Foreman. Simply too small and Foreman was too strong. You can't blame him for trying different strategies the second time around, he lasted much longer than he did the first time around. I think the best Frazier could have done was to move in and land a couple punches and then clinch. That's it, and even then Foreman would most likely win most the rounds and eventually clock Joe.

[mickey malone]

I'm so suprised that Floyd senior didn't warn Hatton about the right hook which had been catching him all round one in between rounds. Not that it mattered seeing as Ricky was KO'd with a left. No survival instinct at all, he should have covered up and got on his bike a bit in round two!

It was actually the first Thompson fight where the knockdown occurred, Eubank's uppercut which decked him was so beautifully timed. We all know that Eubank was haunted by Michael Watson demons, no suprise he didn't try to finish Thompson off.

Both fights showed that Eubank was clearly the more tallented. I'll never forget Eubank crying at receiving so many cheers from the crowd before the second fight started. The poor sod barely got a cheer when he was winning.....and those eye injuries were nasty.

Both fights were great wars & when you consider Eubank was way past prime & moving up 2 weight divisions against a strong & seasoned cruiser champ, they were great performances, that ironically cemented the one thing always missing throughout his career.. RESPECT.. You're so right, because he got virtually none as an undefeated champion.. So many people, for some reason get offended by eccentrics.. I wonder why this is?....
With regard to Hatton.... Well what do you expect after jumping ship.. Almost like Montgomerie asking Hitler for advice.. Mayweather snr wouldn't have given a damn if Hatton got killed out there.. I expect he was paid up front anyway.. All that surprised me was Hatton commiting suicide like a rabbit in the headlights.. With ref to the KO, it was a right hook.. Hat moved left & straight onto it.. Blinding KO to..

[mickey malone]

Frazier really just couldn't beat Foreman. Simply too small and Foreman was too strong. You can't blame him for trying different strategies the second time around, he lasted much longer than he did the first time around. I think the best Frazier could have done was to move in and land a couple punches and then clinch. That's it, and even then Foreman would most likely win most the rounds and eventually clock Joe.

Agreed with all posters..

It's almost impossible to find a way that Joe beats George.. It would mean changing almost everything he does.. The only way he'd do it is by fighting totally from the outside, & firing quick combinations through the middle,while moving off onto the back foot.. In other words Joe would have to become Hector Camacho for the night.. It just aint gonna happen..