Ray Robinson Question

[ßringer]

Sugar Ray Robinson on the other hand is a horrible horrible person. though he did inspire countless amounts of people including Ali who in turn inspired countless amounts of people like sugar ray Leonard and Tyson who in turn inspired countless other people.

Though if i had been there and seen him raise a hand to his family i would have probably beat the crap out of him.

Robinson's not the only man to ever raise his hand in anger to a member of his family.

Was he a saint? Not at all.

Was he abusive? Absolutely.

But every man wrestles with his own demons.

If you've lived enough years ; you know what I'm talking about.

[Spartacus Sully]

Everyone has their demons but it dosent feel as though he wrestled with them all that much.

a truly great person would have beaten such demons after the first encounter.

[ßringer]

Everyone has their demons but it dosent feel as though he wrestled with them all that much.

a truly great person would have beaten such demons after the first encounter.

I don't agree with that last part at all.

There have been some truly amazing people throughout history that have done things much greater than Ray Robinson did, and they were never able to defeat their demons.

I'm not making any excuses for Ray, and I don't condone his actions in the least.

But like I said before ; none of us are perfect, and each of us have our own faults, flaws, and crosses to bear.

To speak out against Ray's abusive actions is absolutely justified.

But I don't think any of us should passing judgment on him without taking a long, hard look in the mirror first.

[Spartacus Sully]

"I don't agree with that last part at all.

There have been some truly amazing people throughout history that have done things much greater than Ray Robinson did, and they were never able to defeat their demons."

dont think so. Maybe and if you can think of some people that would be cool all i can think of are people like poe and frued but they were just crazy and didnt really do that much to influence my life.

more so in my statement i said such demons refering to beating ones that you love. a truly great person should be able to realize their mistake and grow in that case.

[ßringer]

dont think so. Maybe and if you can think of some people that would be cool all i can think of are people like poe and frued but they were just crazy and didnt really do that much to influence my life.

more so in my statement i said such demons refering to beating ones that you love. a truly great person should be able to realize their mistake and grow in that case.

So because Poe and Freud didn't influence you in particular, they don't count?

I didn't even mention them ; you did.

That aside, I'm not going to draw up a list of the hundreds of inspirational figures throughout history who've struggled with demons of their own, be it ; alcoholism, drug addiction, spousal abuse, other physical violence, sexual perversions, mental illness, or what have you.

First off it would be too time consuming.

Secondly, you seem to be implying that you want a specific example of an influential figure who failed to conquer his or her demons, that specifically influenced you.

I'm not a mind reader.

Anyway, this is getting really off topic now.

The point is this ; All I'm saying is that I'm willing to bet that at least half of the people in here trashing Robinson for his abusive behavior have something in their past that they should be equally ashamed of.

If not, they're too young to. And they can come talk to me again in 10 years.

[Spartacus Sully]

all right so i wasnt asking for a huge list of inspirational figures i was asking for some one that did something other then write a bunch of poetry or figure out that everthing thats wrong with you stems from your parents. drawing a picture and listening to people dosent make you great.

didnt have any one specific one in mind just couldnt think of any that didnt defeat their demons that i consider all that great and was hoping you could think of a few though i guess if i had to think of one i would have to say newton. crazy guy complete ******* personally i think he drank way to much mercury but boy did he change the way things are in this world

probably tons of historic leaders beat their many wives and did all kinds of drugs so you dont have to come up with a giant list.

Jim morrison from the doors made all kinds of great music and did all kinds of drugs and continued to till he died was he a great person?

Its not because Ray had demons that make him an ungreat person its that the demons remained and it didnt seem like he cared all that much.

i cant speak for the rest of the people but i have had my fair share of demons and regrets and ive defeated every demon and learned from every regret so far.

For he who learns from his mistakes and regrets lives a life with out mistakes and regrets.

[GJC]

Sugar Ray Robinson on the other hand is a horrible horrible person. though he did inspire countless amounts of people including Ali who in turn inspired countless amounts of people like sugar ray Leonard and Tyson who in turn inspired countless other people.

Though if i had been there and seen him raise a hand to his family i would have probably beat the crap out of him.

Def get the jab working lol

[Spartacus Sully]

psh ali had a faster jab

[Kid McCoy]

Was anyone actually making Robinson out to be a saint? He was a boxer, with the same human frailties as anyone else. Monzon, LaMotta, Ibeabuchi, Tyson, Lyle, Corrales, Johnson and scores of others all have histories of criminality, thuggery or general odiousness. Didn't stop them being fine boxers though.

[Spartacus Sully]

I was making him out to be not great.