I've Lost Some Respect For Ali..

[Abstraction]

So.... We can safely say, that only Ali prevented the rematch from taking place?..... Or was Foreman only spouting bravado?

In all seriousness, you can't blame Ali imo.

Don't forget the first bout just about happened. Had the bout been closer or controversial, everyone would have pushed for a rematch.

But truth be told, did anyone push for one? An immediate rematch was out of the cards.

Any rematch later went down the drain when Foreman struggled against Lyle and co.

[mickey malone]

In all seriousness, you can't blame Ali imo.

Don't forget the first bout just about happened. Had the bout been closer or controversial, everyone would have pushed for a rematch.

But truth be told, did anyone push for one? An immediate rematch was out of the cards.

Any rematch later went down the drain when Foreman struggled against Lyle and co.

This is just it.... Not anyone.. But did Foreman himself push for a rematch?... This is where the thread is divided... My initial response, was that Foreman wanted none of it, well at least not a repeat of the 1st fight, which general consensus suggests it would have been.. So all I want to know is, was a dormant Foreman ignored in favor of Coopman, Dunn etc, by Ali??..... If so, my original argument would be proven right.. But if George chased Ali for 3 years (which I don't recall) then my argument is proven wrong, & I wouldn't have written this thread in the 1st place...

[Kid McCoy]

This is just it.... Not anyone.. But did Foreman himself push for a rematch?... This is where the thread is divided... My initial response, was that Foreman wanted none of it, well at least not a repeat of the 1st fight, which general consensus suggests it would have been.. So all I want to know is, was a dormant Foreman ignored in favor of Coopman, Dunn etc, by Ali??..... If so, my original argument would be proven right.. But if George chased Ali for 3 years (which I don't recall) then my argument is proven wrong, & I wouldn't have written this thread in the 1st place...

Foreman wasn't dormant when Ali was fighting Coopman and Dunn. He went 4-0 with 4 KOs that year, and pushed for a rematch constantly. Part of the reason why he was inactive so long was he was expecting an immediate rematch and when it didn't happen he was left in the lurch.

Despite the loss to Ali he still had recent dominant wins over Norton and Frazier, the only other heavyweights in his calibre from 74-77, and despite the often curious rankings few considered them better than him in that time frame.

As for his performance against Lyle putting him out of contention, well losing to Lorenzo Zanon in his previous fight didn't stop Evangelista getting a title shot...

[mickey malone]

Foreman wasn't dormant when Ali was fighting Coopman and Dunn. He went 4-0 with 4 KOs that year, and pushed for a rematch constantly. Part of the reason why he was inactive so long was he was expecting an immediate rematch and when it didn't happen he was left in the lurch.

Despite the loss to Ali he still had recent dominant wins over Norton and Frazier, the only other heavyweights in his calibre from 74-77, and despite the often curious rankings few considered them better than him in that time frame.

As for his performance against Lyle putting him out of contention, well losing to Lorenzo Zanon in his previous fight didn't stop Evangelista getting a title shot...

I think it was your good self Kid, who inspired my original restlessness.. I'm big on Ali & Foreman, & would like to think he didn't duck any rematches.. That's all.. I'm more than glad of your Knowledge on this, & will hopefully withdraw the alegation shortly..

[-PedoBear-]

Although I couldn't quite believe it, I've just found out Muhammad Ali was solely to blame for not giving George Foreman a rematch.. Apparently George chased him for nearly 3 years to no avail, because ALI REFUSED TO BUDGE..
I thought Ali gave everyone rematches... Why am I so wrong??

good point!

[boxingbuff]

AGAIN......Right after his humilating loss to Ali, Foreman was in no condition to fight anyone.See my previous posts.

Ali always saved his hardest fight for the last fight of the year,after he regained the title from Forman. He fought lesser opponents building up to the big fight.

Example:

1975....Wepner(A nobody),Lyle(A little better),Bugner(Good fighter)Frazier!

1976...Coopman(Nobody),Young(A suppossed nobody),Dunn,Norton!

It's true Forman "finally" wanted Ali in 1976,but Ali planned on fighting Forman in 1977 after winning his "rubber match" with Nortan.

Ali wanted to win "rubber matches" against Frazier and Norton before retiring,and having the better of both men before retiring.After the 3rd Norton fight he was deciding wheter to retire(Which took 3 months to decide).When he decided to keep fighting he CALLED OUT George Forman!! But Forman lost to Jimmy Young and retired.

But during the rest of 1974 and most of 1975 Forman NEVER called out Ali...He was mumbling over and over again why he lost...The ropes were loose,the heat,and he was drugged! Meanwhile Forman was not in training.He was near 300 lbs,he was deeply depressed,in dispair,in shock,and quite frankly not mentally stable.Those around him could not get him to go in the gym...He fired his trainers and managers.He was falling apart.During this time he was in NO CONDITION TO FIGHT ANYBODY,let alone Muhammad Ali.All he did was make excuses,make bad decisions,get fat and overweight,and out of shape.

So from October 1974 and most of 1975 HE DID NOTHING!! He finally started his comeback against Ron Lyle and got knocked down how many times? Looked sloppy,out of shape,and terrible.Your telling me THAT George Forman could fight Muhammad Ali,lol

Late in 1976 he was finally about 85% of the fighter he was against Ali in Zaire,and a rematch would be worth fighting.Ali was the one CALLING OUT George Forman early 1977!! But George gets beat by Jimmy Young.

The Forman from Oct 1974-1975 would have been a joke trying to fight Ali.HE WAS A MESS!! Forman did not with good intent want to fight ANYBODY right after his big KO loss to Ali. What part of that don't you understand?

[princemanspoper]

I think it was your good self Kid, who inspired my original restlessness.. I'm big on Ali & Foreman, & would like to think he didn't duck any rematches.. That's all.. I'm more than glad of your Knowledge on this, & will hopefully withdraw the alegation shortly..

And if you are a 41 year old man who thinks human beings are super men then I think it's about time you grow up

[mickey malone]

And if you are a 41 year old man who thinks human beings are super men then I think it's about time you grow up

I have nothing to hide..

It clearly states that I'm 45 on my avatar..

Once again, You CLEARLY expose youself as a drunk who licks car bumpers..

[princemanspoper]

Oops then your 4 years older my mistake.Oh well atleast I don't make the mistake of believing that boxers are supermen,atleast I don't make the mistake of believing boxers are imperect role models who can do nothing wrong in life


and I also don't make the mistake of letting old bitter bully boy posters end me over and let them *uck me around

would you know something about the last part?

[mickey malone]

Oops then your 4 years older my mistake.Oh well atleast I don't make the mistake of believing that boxers are supermen,atleast I don't make the mistake of believing boxers are imperect role models who can do nothing wrong in life


and I also don't make the mistake of letting old bitter bully boy posters end me over and let them *uck me around

would you know something about the last part?

'end me over'??.... No I wouldn't....

People that come on here drunk are always a scream.. lol....

Trust me.... Nobody accepts a bollocking from a man that's pissed himself...