Max Baer, What If He Didnt Clown Around?

[Benncollinsaad]

Becuase Boxing maths dosent work out. Unless your new to the sport you should know this.

Lol. Baer had twice as strong punch as Schmelling, yet you say he couldn't do what Schmelling did. Maybe Schmelling was smarter, but we know in boxing everything can happen. Ever heard of the puncher's chance?

[Southpaw16BF]

Lol. Baer had twice as strong punch as Schmelling, yet you say he couldn't do what Schmelling did. Maybe Schmelling was smarter, but we know in boxing everything can happen. Ever heard of the puncher's chance?

That wasn't the point. Of course Baer had a punchers chance, but you claimed due to Schmelling beating Louis, Baer should of beat Louis due to him beating Schmelling. And like I said boxing maths dosent work out like that.

No excuses, it was a great win for Schmelling, but Louis hardly trained for the fight and was to busy playing golf and sneaking out of camp. I feel a fully trained and motivated Louis would of got Schmelling out there without to much trouble in the first fight.

I'd also say although Baer was a bigger puncher, Schmelling was a smarter fighter, and worked his gameplan to perfection against Louis the first time.

Going into the Louis fight, Baer was belived to be very nervous and Jack Demspey had to give him a pep talk of sort. And Baer knew only one way to fight and that was to stand and trade punchers, which had worked in the past.

But Louis just destroyed him with ease, in argubaly his best ever display.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Without the clowning he wouldn't have been Max Baer!

[StarshipTrooper]

When he was in the mood to hurt a guy, Baer was relentless, determined, and heavy handed. But a lot of the time he was happy enough to swap punchers, have some laughs, collect his purse, then hit the clubs-especially if he was in a little over head or if he was injured. He just didnt care enough to be exceptional every time out and never took the sport serious.

With disicpline and dedication he could of achieved more, but even then I dont know about being a Top 10 Heavyweight of all time.

Baer's right hand was probaly the single hardest punch in the game, until Joe Louis arrived on the scene.It was never short or accurate, but when Bear telegraphed the punch and threw it looping most of the time. And Baer winged it with abandon forever chasing the KO, and 200+ dropped like flys.

Not only that, but contrary to what the "Cinderella Man" portrayed, Baer WAS effected by killing three men in the ring. He had enough of a happy-go-lucky personality to get past it somewhat but I think it DID make him more of a clown in the ring in the long-run as those deaths were always in the back of his mind.

Poet

[Obama]

Not only that, but contrary to what the "Cinderella Man" portrayed, Baer WAS effected by killing three men in the ring. He had enough of a happy-go-lucky personality to get past it somewhat but I think it DID make him more of a clown in the ring in the long-run as those deaths were always in the back of his mind.

Poet

3? Name 'em.

[Southpaw16BF]

Not only that, but contrary to what the "Cinderella Man" portrayed, Baer WAS effected by killing three men in the ring. He had enough of a happy-go-lucky personality to get past it somewhat but I think it DID make him more of a clown in the ring in the long-run as those deaths were always in the back of his mind.

Poet

Cinderella Man was a pretty bogus movie, but Russell Crowe claimed if there was no good or bad guy there was no movie, so for the movie Max was portrayed as the bad guy.

But no excuses, they portrayed Baer as vicious killer, who bragged about it. Which cound't be further from the truth, Baer was very distraught by killing someone and cryed about it. He paid for the children's colleage fee's.

Most also belive Baer was the main reason why Ernie Schaaf died, after the fight Schaaf claimed of head pains. Five months after the Baer fight, on February 11, 1933, Schaaf died in the ring after taking a left jab from the Italian behemoth Primo Carnera. Carnera was vilified as a "man killer", and two sports writers (Grantland Rice and Jimmy Cannon) claimed that Schaaf had died as a result of damage previously inflicted by Baer.

The majority of sports editors noted,[10] however, that an autopsy later revealed Schaaf had meningitis, a swelling of the brain, and was still recovering from a severe case of influenza when he touched gloves with Carnera. Schaaf's obituary stated that "just before his bout with Carnera

Hear's what Baer son said

My father cried about what happened to Frankie Campbell. He had nightmares. In reality, my father was one of the kindest, gentlest men you would ever hope to meet. He treated boxing the way today's professional wrestlers do wrestling: part sport, mostly showmanship. He never deliberately hurt anyone

[Southpaw16BF]

3? Name 'em.

This is incorrect on Poet's behalf. Baer killed Frankie Campbell, and most belive it was him who killed Ernie Schaaf, although Schaaf was never quite the same after that bout. He complained frequently of headaches[citation needed], and his ring performance was mercurial in succeeding bouts. Five months after the Baer fight, on February 11, 1933, Schaaf died in the ring after taking a left jab from the Italian behemoth Primo Carnera. Carnera was vilified as a "man killer", and two sports writers (Grantland Rice and Jimmy Cannon) claimed that Schaaf had died as a result of damage previously inflicted by Baer.

So it was actually two not THREE.

[The Iron Man]

I dont think he could ever be a top 10 heavyweight, but he could have achieved more. Saying that tho he wouldnt have been the same Max Baer we all know.

As for killing people in the ring, he only killed one and was highly affected by this as stated by other posters, he gave some future fight purses to Campbells family.

[TheGreatA]

He would have most certainly beaten Braddock but Louis would have always got to him unless Baer greatly improved on his boxing skill which he didn't.

[The Iron Man]

He would have most certainly beaten Braddock but Louis would have always got to him unless Baer greatly improved on his boxing skill which he didn't.

Although that would have destroyed one of boxing's greatest stories!.