A Prime Joe Louis vs Rocky Marcaino

[GJC]

Louis could get caught no doubt about it, as did Marciano. All fighters get caught the trick is getting up and winning.
Louis was a fantastic fighter to say otherwise is silly. Schmelling beat him fair and square, Louis learnt and nearly killed him in the re-match. The Galento fight was just Louis being an idiot frankly but he won and won quick.
Marciano was a great fighter anyone who doesn't think he could give ANY heavyweight a world of trouble is deluding themselves.
I grew up on Marciano he was my Tyson if you like, I have never felt the need to denigrate a great fighter like Joe Louis or others to support him.

[TheGreatA]

Keep telling yourself that, only your cheerleader Poet will believe ya mate.

You follow me around in every section with your alt Southpaw16 from nsb to bh trying to start ****e. I've beaten you in most of those debates, too.

Maybe one day you'll realise that Joe Louis and Ray Robinson actually have flaws(yes, clam down, stop shaking, take it easy. it's true, those men do have flaws. REALLY they do.)

Southpaw16 isn't my alt. I frequently disagree with him but he has the ability to discuss matters like an adult. It's not about "beating" someone in a debate and it's certainly not about throwing childish insults left and right whenever someone disagrees as you seem to do.

Robinson didn't mind fighting come forward pressure fighters but he avoided crafty counter punchers such as Charley Burley.

Robinson had it all except a great defense. If there was one thing he wasn't exceptional at it was his defense.

I give Louis a good chance against all of them, Foreman would be favoured against Louis in my opinion but Joe was the king of rematches. Foreman had many flaws which a smart boxer-puncher like Louis could exploit.

Holmes was at the top of his game when he fought Ali while Ali obviously was not, that Holmes would have a very good chance against Louis too.
If Louis was as shot a fighter as Ali was (imagine the Louis of the Rocky Marciano fight), he would lose as one-sidedly as Ali did.

The Liston who fought Ali would lose to Louis IMO but Liston against Louis, both at their best would be close to an even fight. Liston may not have been as great a boxer but he could make up for it with his size, reach, strength and toughness.

Many thought he was the second coming of Joe Louis at the time. Now Liston is almost forgotten.

Louis admitted that he didn't like fighting pressure fighters, the best pressure fighter of his day Arturo Godoy troubled him a lot (Louis won a SD in their first bout) but Louis completely destroyed Godoy in their rematch with jabs, uppercuts and hooks in combinations which Godoy couldn't deal with.

Frazier was better than Godoy but they were somewhat similar in style although Godoy clinched unlike Joe and threw fewer punches with lesser punching power.

Norton was trouble for boxers like Ali and Holmes, he had great conditioning and always kept coming but IMO he could never fight too well backing up. Louis' best chance would be to push Norton back relentlessly like he did to Max Schmeling in their rematch and go for an early knockout.

Louis definitely had the tools to do it but he often boxed a little more conservatively.

Admitting that Robinson and Louis had flaws which I have several times in debates isn't the same as:

I agree Robinson QUIT. He was going to get KO'd by Maxim but put on a fine acting job to save himself.

Maxim was in the same situation as Quitter Ray Robinson, but he didn't put on an acting job to QUIT.

Joe Louis is often called the greatest Heavyweight of all time. They even have him in the top 3 ATGs P4P?? That's pukingly offensive. The lad had a bum of the month club title reign, was knocked down by virtually everybody even by bums, struggled with many of his opponents including Light Heavyweights, was brutally destroyed and made to QUIT in his prime against Schmeling. Not even top 3 HW.

Yes Maxim showed what a quitter ISN'T. Salty Gay Robinson showed what a quitter was. You have this "SRR BEST EVER IN HISTORY OF MANKIND AND UNIVERSE AND GALAXY EVAR!!!111" imprinted in your brain so you cannot admit this.

Ever wonder why no one actually agrees with you?

[mickey malone]

You don't have to wear anything. You already look like the disgusting fat rotten teeth having SLOB that you are, mate. You have been exposed a while ago now, and I'm surprised you haven't committed suicide yet you cheerleading groupie.



I wasn't talking to you. I'm glad I have been affecting you, you're finally realising what a crappy poster you are. Paranoid too. "leave me alone!! Don't study my posts anymore!! but i'm still going to follow you everywhere and instigate a flame war"
Get off me balls you obsessed stalker.

Now, a guy gets knocked down a ****load of times even against BUMS or feather fisted punchers, and just because he didn't get stopped it means he had a "pretty sound" chin??

Zab Judah did not invent the chicken dance. It was Joe Louis. Check out the Elvis dance he did when Schmeling hit him for the first time with that right hand.

Great excuses there too for the Schmeling loss. He is in his prime and then gets found out and brutally slapped around and QUITS. Nobody gets a free pass except for Louis of cource.

Marciano was knocked down against Moore when he was off balance with 1 foot on the mat. Archie had the most KO's ever.

Walcott is another one of the greatest KO% ever.

Compare that to Fat two ton beached whale Galento almost KOing Louis and loads of other bums who did the same. Hurts doesn't it?



Ali had losses against top 10-20 ATG heavyweights untill he got old and still avenged those defeats. When Marciano almost decapitated Joe, it was all over. Look at the avatar.

26 title defenses against mostly bums.

Klitschko's have the highest KO%. They aint no top 10 ATG's.

Nice little insult there. Did you have tears in your eyes when you typed it? Does it feel like someone is scratching out your eyes every time you look at my avy? Enjoy it mate.

Rock quit at 32 after nearly getting KTFO by a 45 year old L/H..
Louis was putting people in body bags at this age.. The fact that Louis was 38 when he lost to a 25 year old Rock is quite irrelevant.. Rock beat up on Charles & Walcott when they were old to.. He only looked good when taking on fringe contenders like Le Straza & ****le, a fight in which he had to cheat in order to win..
With regard to insults... These will come freely, so long as you persist in using your brain as a **** conveyor.. And yes, there were tears in my eyes while I pissed myself laughing.. Now go to bed & suck yourself dry, while caressing your avatar..

[TheGreatA]

You do realize Rocky Marcaino had flaws dont you troll?

Good point my imitator.

He has after all made statements like this:

Against Moore he was off balance. Walcott could also take people's heads off especially if they didn't see it coming. Watch the Walcott-Charles KO. Marciano took a hellacious shots like that and came back to win. Frazier went down before Foreman and Ali.

Marciano would win this fight in the opening seconds of round 1.

Marciano only slipped twice so you could include him. You could also start a thread about fighters who have been knocked down more often than Louis(very difficult to make a list indeed).

[Jim Jeffries]

Rock quit at 32 after nearly getting KTFO by a 45 year old L/H..
Louis was putting people in body bags at this age.. The fact that Louis was 38 when he lost to a 25 year old Rock is quite irrelevant.. Rock beat up on Charles & Walcott when they were old to.. He only looked good when taking on fringe contenders like Le Straza & ****le, a fight in which he had to cheat in order to win..
With regard to insults... These will come freely, so long as you persist in using your brain as a **** conveyor.. And yes, there were tears in my eyes while I pissed myself laughing.. Now go to bed & suck yourself dry, while caressing your avatar..

Congratulations, you just crapped on an ATGs entire career, just to piss off a terrible poster.

A few corrections, Moore was 43, and he was so shot that he fought Ali over 7 years later. Charles was 32 when he fought Rocky the first time, and 33 when he was stopped 3 months later. Carry on.

[TheGreatA]

Congratulations, you just crapped on an ATGs entire career, just to piss off a terrible poster.

A few corrections, Moore was 43, and he was so shot that he fought Ali over 7 years later. Charles was 32 when he fought Rocky the first time, and 33 when he was stopped 3 months later. Carry on.

Agreed.

As terrible a poster as Slimey Limey is, people shouldn't let him get under their skin too much. That's exactly what he wants. He has even admitted it.

[StarshipTrooper]

Louis could get caught no doubt about it, as did Marciano. All fighters get caught the trick is getting up and winning.
Louis was a fantastic fighter to say otherwise is silly. Schmelling beat him fair and square, Louis learnt and nearly killed him in the re-match. The Galento fight was just Louis being an idiot frankly but he won and won quick.
Marciano was a great fighter anyone who doesn't think he could give ANY heavyweight a world of trouble is deluding themselves.
I grew up on Marciano he was my Tyson if you like, I have never felt the need to denigrate a great fighter like Joe Louis or others to support him.

Hey GJC! We need to get you a pic in your avatar. Name the fighter and I'll get you one!

Poet

[mickey malone]

Congratulations, you just crapped on an ATGs entire career, just to piss off a terrible poster.

A few corrections, Moore was 43, and he was so shot that he fought Ali over 7 years later. Charles was 32 when he fought Rocky the first time, and 33 when he was stopped 3 months later. Carry on.

Ok.. So I got Moores age wrong.. Hands up!
Rocks in my top 10.. I quoted 4 of his fights.. He was 49 & 0..
Hardly trashing a mans whole career is it?

If you go back through the thread, you'll see that I started off respectful of his views, while attempting to engage in a sensible debate.. Then boom! The Prick has to sucker punch me with a lorry load of cats knackers.. That's when the flame thrower comes out.. And if I need to use the man on his precious avatar to sedate him, then so be it..
With people of his ilk, I tend to stay off the ropes & throw punches.. Must be the Irish in me.. lol ..

[RingSlam]

His Mommy should be slapped for not swallowing

Poet

that was below the damn belt turd!

[StarshipTrooper]

that was below the damn belt turd!

Wipe her chin off for her there's a good little boy.

Poet