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[StarshipTrooper]

At least the guy doesn't suck Ali's ****. Those posters are far worse. You know, commoners. Uniqueness is a quality.

It's rare that I see overt Ali nuthugging around here: It's currently out of fashion I suppose. I've seen PLENTY of idiots trying to rip him down, usually to make their own favorite look better.

Poet

[GJC]

At least the guy doesn't suck Ali's ****. Those posters are far worse. You know, commoners. Uniqueness is a quality.

Well to a point, lot of unique people in asylums. Lot of people don't like Ali which is fair enough but to call him a coward is not on.

[TheGreatA]

At least the guy doesn't suck Ali's ****. Those posters are far worse. You know, commoners. Uniqueness is a quality.

Blatant bias, discrediting and stating myths and inaccuracies is not a quality I'd like to have.

Being a commoner (as you put it) is getting pretty unique these days. It's all about having outrageous opinions with nothing to back them up.

Now to be fair to knn, he does try to back his opinions up but his logic is rather flawed if you ask me. I've argued for and against Ali and have been called both a "hater" and a "nuthugger" but I try my best to remain objective, which is far more difficult than being biased for one and against another as knn so very obviously is.

[Obama]

I wouldn't call the man a coward. A fraud, maybe. A cheat, maybe. A racial divider, definitely. An assclown, most definitely.

[GJC]

I wouldn't call the man a coward. A fraud, maybe. A cheat, maybe. A racial divider, definitely. An assclown, most definitely.

Not sure how you mean fraud? Cheat well he cheated on his wife, in the ring he bent the rules as most fighters from Dempsey, Marciano, Holyfield etc do. Race divider? That Nation of Islam stuff never sat easy with me, he did seem to mellow down the years. I give him the benefit of the doubt and put it down to a young man being unduly influenced. Assclown? Probably but he did bring a smile to my face a few times.
I don't have him down as a world statesman etc etc I just think he was probably the best HW I have seen and was an entertainer in and out of the ring.

[TheGreatA]

I wouldn't call the man a coward. A fraud, maybe. A cheat, maybe. A racial divider, definitely. An assclown, most definitely.

There are those who can see him as a human being, a flawed character but not without positives which in my humble opinion outweigh the bad, although not so that all the bad he has done should be forgiven and forgotten.

The man was no saint, for sure. Still, I wouldn't say such harsh words about a man I've never met and talked to.

As GJC said, it shouldn't affect the way you view him as a fighter. There were many great boxers who did terrible things, far worse than what Ali has done.

[Obama]

I've met and talked to Joe Frazier. I'll forgive Ali when he does.

[StarshipTrooper]

I've met and talked to Joe Frazier. I'll forgive Ali when he does.

And THAT is the primary reason why I'm not very fond of Ali as a person: I feel what he did to Frazier was rediculously wrong. Now that doesn't color my perceptions of him as a fighter: Easily the best Heavyweight I've ever seen, but it doesn't make him one of my favorites. Point of fact my favorite fighter is Joe Louis.

Poet

[GJC]

I've met and talked to Joe Frazier. I'll forgive Ali when he does.

I'm a huge Frazier fan far more than Ali in fact, but it has been 30 years.
To carry that much bitterness around does Joe no good, he should let it go IMO

[Obama]

I rate Louis over Ali. He didn't just beat people, he destroyed them. The execution was nearly flawless. Little wasted motion, never looked like he was particularly trying hard. Poetry in motion.

Ali on the other hand...he relied too often on tiring the other guy out to win fights to me. So when he'd get in there with a guy who could go 15 hard rounds who had a half decent chin, he'd struggle. It never failed. He also never proved himself against a top shelf technical boxer. He made a career and legacy out of beating big punchers. Two best technical boxers he ever fought were Jimmy Young and Larry Holmes. He was over the hill for Young, and shot for Holmes, but hey, I've seen nothing to indicate he'd of beat Young or Holmes in his prime. Granted, I'm aware he officially beat Young. But my scorecard however only had Ali winning 2 rounds, with 1 round even.