10 greatest title reigns

[Slimey Limey]

Ali struggled with many smaller men. He went to a close decision against a former LHW contender (not champion) Doug Jones in a fight which many thought he had lost..

How convenient that you say Ali struggled with MANY smaller men yet go on to only mention ONE, in which ALi was not even close to his prime.

George Foreman won a close decision over Gregorio Peralta, a former unsuccessful light heavyweight title challenger.

Just like your pathetic Ali example, still young and not in his prime. And still, not even close to what Louis was doing against Conman. There is a diffirence between a close fight and winning, and being dominated for over 10 rounds and then catching your opponent.

Holyfield, as I said, lost a decision to Michael Moorer and later by TKO to overweight middleweight James Toney (admittedly long past his prime).

Holy himself did not start as a heavyweight just like Moorer, and it's pretty obvious that Moorer, like Holyfield, grew into a true heavyweight later on and was nothing like Conman.

And James Toney? WHen Holy was completely shot and old? Oh, are we going to play it this way?

WHy did Louis get spanked and dominated by Charles? Why did Marciano torture and brutally KO him out of the ring? It's not like Louis was already OLD and SHOT, innit? There is a reason why I never mention these losses that Louis suffered.

Rocky Marciano won a close decision over former LHW Ezzard Charles and was arguably given a gift against LHW 'Tiger' Ted Lowry.

Again, Charles was nothing like Conman. The man became a true heavyweight just like Holyfield and Moorer.
And again, it was nothing like the Louis-Conn fight where Louis looked like crap.

Ellis in his prime held the WBA title and beat Bonavena, Quarry,
Patterson, Chuvalo, Martin, some of the divisions best at the time.

Then he was just like Holyfield and Moorer, grew into a true heavyweight. Not even close to what Conman was.

I'd say he did pretty well for a former fringe middleweight contender and a past prime loss to Shavers in which he was pummeling Earnie until getting caught with an uppercut (as Shavers was holding his neck) does little to diminish that.

How convenient that you act like Louis didn't 'get lucky' against Conman but still go on to act like the Shavers-Ellis KO was 'luck'.

Hardly shot since he flattened Sharkey with one punch in between the two fights (for which he was just over 30 years old). Tunney, light heavyweight or not, was probably the most accomplished heavyweight Dempsey ever faced with wins over many former Dempsey title challengers, despite being a light heavy.

Sharkey was an ancient fossile by that time so it means nothing. Anyone with eyes can see Dempsey wasn't even close to the monster he was years before. The fact that he knocked Tunney on his ass once for half a minute shows that the only thing he had left was power, and was no longer capable of using it like before.
Furthermore, Tunney cannot be compared to Conman in terms of Heavyweigts.

Patterson boxed as a middleweight in the amateurs and started his pro career at 165 lbs. In his prime he weighed barely over 180 lbs and trained hard to get even that big.

He was KO'd by Liston (Liston's best win) but he also had wins over 210 lbers such as Chuvalo and Bonavena while years past his prime.

He was just like Marciano, two very small heavyweights able to **** with the big lads. I can't see Conman doing anything like them.


It doesn't matter which examples you can come up with, there aren't any good enough to hide Louis' flaw. The fact that Louis, the so called greatest heavyweight, with the so called greatest title reign ever struggled so much with Conman speaks volumes about his bum of the month club title reign. You fail again, mate. Maybe it's time to do the unthinkable, and admit your lad actually had flaws as well. But to you circle jerkers he is literally perfect.

[TheGreatA]

He almost beat PRIME Holyfield and some believe he won. That's not something anyone can do against a prime Holyfield, especially not an "old shot Holmes" years AFTER getting destroyed by Tyson.

How convenient that you left this out, Jabbie. It's pretty difficult to get this through your thick skull, innit?

And I never said Mercer was an ATG. But he was very solid. He alone would mutilate almost everybody in Louis' Bum of the month pathetic padded title reign.

Mercer was solid when he wanted to be. He was about as inconsistent as it gets.

Lets not forget that he was urging journeyman Jesse Ferguson to throw the fight because he was getting outboxed so badly.

How convenient that you left out the part where while Tyson was gettin the **** beaten out of him, he KNOCKED DOUGLASS DOWN FOR OVER 10 SECONDS. There you go, I just shattered this comment.

You actually believe this myth?

He was on his way, and that's bad enough. Tell me, if a young monster George Foreman was getting destroyed by Roy Jones for 14 rounds, but THEN he KO'd roy in the last round, are you not going to critisize Foreman even though he won?

Young monster Foreman was struggling to beat Gregorio Peralta, a LHW fringe contender, and later on lost to Jimmy Young who was certainly no big heavyweight (in shape at around 180 lbs).

[Slimey Limey]

Ps Manrobot, I see you're still editing your post to make it seem like i'm ducking some of your comments. Well, it's not my job to edit my posts every minute you edit yours, so I will just ignore these futile attempts mate.

[TheGreatA]

How convenient that you say Ali struggled with MANY smaller men yet go on to only mention ONE, in which ALi was not even close to his prime.

He was also nearly KO'd by Henry Cooper, a 180 lber. Both of these fights were not even a year before he outboxed and beat Sonny Liston!

Just like your pathetic Ali example, still young and not in his prime. And still, not even close to what Louis was doing against Conman. There is a diffirence between a close fight and winning, and being dominated for over 10 rounds and then catching your opponent.

I've already disproved the myth about Louis being "dominated". The fight was near even on the cards with Conn having a slight lead after 12 rounds.

Foreman was so young and out of prime that he was coming off two of his career best performances against George Chuvalo and Boone Kirkman.

WHy did Louis get spanked and dominated by Charles? Why did Marciano torture and brutally KO him out of the ring? It's not like Louis was already OLD and SHOT, innit? There is a reason why I never mention these losses that Louis suffered.

You did mention the loss to Charles. You also mentioned the loss to Schmeling and now you're trying to say that Ali and Foreman were "too young".

Again, Charles was nothing like Conman. The man became a true heavyweight just like Holyfield and Moorer.
And again, it was nothing like the Louis-Conn fight where Louis looked like crap.

True heavyweight who weighed 185 lbs against Marciano.

How convenient that you act like Louis didn't 'get lucky' against Conman but still go on to act like the Shavers-Ellis KO was 'luck'.

It's not that it was luck, it was illegal (holding & hitting).

Sharkey was an ancient fossile by that time so it means nothing. Anyone with eyes can see Dempsey wasn't even close to the monster he was years before. The fact that he knocked Tunney on his ass once for half a minute shows that the only thing he had left was power, and was no longer capable of using it like before.

Huh? Sharkey was young and in his prime at the time the fight was held. He later went onto win the heavyweight title from Max Schmeling.

Furthermore, Tunney cannot be compared to Conman in terms of Heavyweigts.

Conn's HW resume before facing Louis was about as good as Tunney's before he faced Dempsey with wins over top 10 ranked contenders Gunnar Bärlund (the man in my avatar), Bob Pastor and Lee Savold. He had KO'd 4 of his last five HW opponents.

Tunney's best win at HW before facing Dempsey was over Tommy Gibbons, a former LHW himself, who gave Dempsey the most trouble in all of Dempsey's title defenses until Tunney.

He was just like Marciano, two very small heavyweights able to **** with the big lads. I can't see Conman doing anything like them.

Ellis weighed around 190 and wasn't exactly solid. He was a former middleweight, not even a light heavy.

I also made up more examples about Liston and Norton:

Ken Norton was knocked out by JL Garcia, a bloated light heavyweight.

Sonny Liston lost a SD and was knocked down in the rematch against LHW contender Marty Marshall.

If they were "too young" then so was Louis against Schmeling.

Ps Manrobot, I see you're still editing your post to make it seem like i'm ducking some of your comments. Well, it's not my job to edit my posts every minute you edit yours, so I will just ignore these futile attempts mate.

Why would I do that? I'm trying to have a fair debate. I edited those comments because I didn't think you would respond as quickly.

[Slimey Limey]

Mercer was solid when he wanted to be. He was about as inconsistent as it gets.

Lets not forget that he was urging journeyman Jesse Ferguson to throw the fight because he was getting outboxed so badly.

How convenient that you left out the fact that he took everything Morrison had to offer, one of the hardest punchers ever, and went on to almost legally murder him. He also went to war for 12 rounds with a young Lennox.

This is the way you debate. You nitpick and only posts negative or positive things just to suit your biased arguments. YOu fool morons into thinking you're a great poster with this stuff and your little youtube clips, but this is one Slimey Limey you can't fool.

You actually believe this myth?

What are you even talking about? Did you even stop and think for 1 second while you were in rage because of your Louis love, that I was talking to Jabbie and not you?

He said Tyson pretty much gave up, no heart etc against Douglass. I said Tyson knocked Douglass down for over 10 seconds, even though he was getting his ass kicked since the beginning.
Did I say Tyson should have won that fight? No. In seconds you can count that Douglass was on the canvas for more than 10 seconds, which takes heart to do while you're being beaten.

Young monster Foreman was struggling to beat Gregorio Peralta, a LHW fringe contender, and later on lost to Jimmy Young who was certainly no big heavyweight (in shape at around 180 lbs

Young was/became a true Heavyweight, a great one at that. For the 100th time, he was nothing like COnman.
When will you learn mate?

Now, go think of some more futile examples so I can shoot them into to the ground yet again tommorow. I look forward to it, youtubemachine.

[TheGreatA]

How convenient that you left out the fact that he took everything Morrison had to offer, one of the hardest punchers ever, and went on to almost legally murder him. He also went to war for 12 rounds with a young Lennox.

This is the way you debate. You nitpick and only posts negative or positive things just to suit your biased arguments. YOu fool morons into thinking you're a great poster with this stuff and your little youtube clips, but this is one Slimey Limey you can't fool.

You're doing the exact same thing.

I was only making the point that Mercer could be very inconsistent.

He said Tyson pretty much gave up, no heart etc against Douglass. I said Tyson knocked Douglass down for over 10 seconds, even though he was getting his ass kicked since the beginning.
Did I say Tyson should have won that fight? No. In seconds you can count that Douglass was on the canvas for more than 10 seconds, which takes heart to do while you're being beaten.

You have a point but I thought you were saying that Tyson was "robbed" as people often do.

Young was/became a true Heavyweight, a great one at that. For the 100th time, he was nothing like COnman.
When will you learn mate?

[warp1432]

Ali struggled with many smaller men. He went to a close decision against a former LHW contender (not champion) Doug Jones in a fight which many thought he had lost.

Why is this? It's been a while since I've seen the fight, but Ali clearly won this fight either 7-3 or 6-4. Jones had his moments, but that was about it.

[TheGreatA]

Why is this? It's been a while since I've seen the fight, but Ali clearly won this fight either 7-3 or 6-4. Jones had his moments, but that was about it.

Jones was the aggressor throughout the fight and had the crowd behind him which no doubt influenced the viewers into thinking Jones had the fight won.

I think Ali won but he was still having a lot of trouble with a light heavyweight who was not nearly as good as Conn.

Two judges scored 5-4 with one round even for Ali from what I remember.

It's not like Ali was "green" at that point of his career since he beat Liston not even a year afterwards.

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1074640/index.htm

[Poet682006]

Isn't it amazing? Manchine answers all of Putrid Pommy's charges and provides reasoned arguments and evidence (including video!) and Pommy just becomes more unhinged as a result. Clearly no amount of hard facts are going to crack through this joker's self-imposed ignorance. In his distemperate responses he reveals his true agenda: While he took pains in an earlier post to say that this wasn't about "old" versus "new" I think it pretty obvious that for him it is exactly that. He worships at the shrine of the so-called "modern" all the while showing disdain for those he labled "old-timers". The definatition of a "boxing historian"? Someone who knows a hell of a lot more about boxing than Putrid Pommy ever will.

Poet

[TheGreatA]

Conn dominating Joe Louis:



Not exactly.