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  • Originally posted by The Italian Stallion
    Why do people still ask this question?
    .

    The question is

    Why Do People ask this question



    Mike Tyson age 29 weight 222 pounds WBA heavyweight champion and(recently vacated the WBC Heavyweight title) vs Evander Holyfield the challenger age 34 weight 215 pounds.

    Winner Evander Holyfied TKO 11 Tyson down in the 6th.
    Last edited by The Troll; 05-15-2005, 08:37 PM.

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    • According to some people that doesn't count because he fired Kevin Rooney.

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      • Originally posted by Southpaw16
        According to some people that doesn't count because he fired Kevin Rooney.
        ok but had he ever been the same sens he fired rooney?, where is the movement the killerinstict?, when he fough buster he hugs more than ever and looks scared. but with rooney he looks like he wanted to kill everyone he face, and always was in shape not necessecary mentaly but psysically. all fighter will always lose soon or later but i think he would ko douglas with rooney and ko ruddock twice..and perhaps lost by ud vs bowe or holyfield but he would still stagger holyfield a lot more times than he did 1996 if he had rooney.

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        • Originally posted by Southpaw16
          According to some people that doesn't count because he fired Kevin Rooney.

          lol.......

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          • Originally posted by Prorock
            Both men were great fighters with impressive undefeated streaks.

            Holyfield's undefeated streak 1984-1992:

            28-0 (22) overall
            10-0 (7) in World title fights
            11-0 (7) vs. World Champions
            4-0 (1) vs. Hall of Famers fighters (Qawi x2, Foreman, and Holmes)

            Tyson's undefeated streak 1984-1990:

            37-0 (33) overall
            10-0 (8) in World title fights
            9-0 (7) vs. World Champions
            2-0 (2) vs. Hall of Fame fighters (Holmes and M. Spinks)

            Let's see who they beat during these streaks.

            Holyfield-

            The World champions-

            Tyrone Booze W8 (WBO CW champ)
            Dwight Qawi x2 W15 and KO4 (WBC LHW and WBA CW champ)
            Ossie Ocasio KO11 KO3 (IBF CW champ)
            Ricky Parkey KO3 (IBF CW champ)
            Carlos DeLeon KO8 (WBC CW champ)
            Pinklon Thomas KO7 (WBC HW champ)
            Michael Dokes KO10 (WBA HW champ)
            James Douglas KO3 (Lineal HW champ)
            George Foreman W12 (2x Lineal HW champ)
            Larry Holmes (Lineal HW champ)

            The World title challengers-

            Anthony Davis KO4
            Henry Tillman KO7
            James Tillis KO5
            Bert Cooper KO7

            Some of the other guys-

            Jesse Shelby KO3
            Adilson Rodrigues KO2
            Alex Stewart KO8

            Tyson-

            The World champs-

            Alfonso Ratliff KO2 (WBC CW champ)
            Trevor Berbick KO2 (WBC HW champ)
            James Smith W12 (WBA HW champ)
            Pinklon Thomas KO6 (WBC HW champ)
            Tony Tucker W12 (IBF HW champ)
            Larry Holmes KO4 (Lineal HW champ)
            Tony Tubbs KO2 (WBA HW champ)
            Michael Spinks KO1 (Lineal LHW and HW champ)
            Frank Bruno KO5 (WBC HW champ)

            The World title challengers-

            Jesse Ferguson KO6
            James Tillis W10
            Marvis Frazier KO1
            Tyrell Biggs KO7
            Carl Williams KO1


            Impressive info but a really ****** question because there is no question holyfield is better than mike tyson. I got the thing that proves holyfield is better
            TYSON SAID I QUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Some of the other guys-

            Reggie Gross KO1
            Jose Ribalta KO10

            Both records look very good.

            Let's see what they did after their first loss.

            Holyfield-

            10-7-2 (3) overall and 6-5 (2) in World title fights. Two of the losses are by KO. He beat 3 of the 6 men that beat him, he drew with another.

            Tyson-

            13-5 (11) 2NC overall and 2-4 (2) in World title fights. Four of the losses are by KO. He has no wins over any of the men that beat him.

            What's your opinion my friends?

            Impressive info but a really ****** question because there is no question holyfield is better than mike tyson. I got the thing that proves holyfield is better
            TYSON SAID I QUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            Not to metion holyfield whooped tysons ass

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            • A discussion about which fighter waas better is never going to get a completely straightforward and satisfactory answer. There are many variables that need to be taken into consideration. And, of course, it will more often than not be one persons opinion against another.

              Most of these have already been mentioned.

              I think that the question should be re-framed into many questions, then an overall picture can be gained. Who was/had the better .....?

              Examples:

              Who was the harder puncher? IMO Tyson in his early career
              Who had a better chin? IMO Holyfield
              Who had the better boxing skills? IMO Holyfield
              Who fought a better quality of opposition? IMO Holyfield


              Etc etc.....

              It's hard to get a definitive answer. But if I was to aanswer a range of questions like this honestly about the above two fighters then I wold have to say that Holyfield was the better all-round fighter. And that's what boxing is all about. You have to have all the correct ingredients to be good for a sustained period of time.

              Boxing record is also important. but only part of the picture.

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              • Holyfield is clearly the better, he has beaten Tyson twice!

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                • Tyson hands down...

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                  • Originally posted by BostonGuy
                    Prorock, great analysis backed up with facts. My answer to that

                    question is mostly subjective. Mike Tyson had "awe inspiring

                    appeal," Holyfield did not. Early to middle of his career, Mike

                    Tyson basically knocked everyone out who faced him. In addition,

                    those knockouts were incredibly entertaining (Holmes,Thomas,

                    Berbick,Frasier,Spinks,etc.) When Mike Tyson finally lost to

                    Douglas it was front page news. People cared about and followed

                    heavyweight boxing in the 80s and 90s because of him. Holyfield

                    on the other hand, although fighting some memorable fights

                    (Douglas,Foreman,Bowe) never had the star power and "awe

                    inspiring appeal" like Mike Tyson. When Holyfield lost for the

                    first time it wasn't a really big deal. And also, many of Holy

                    fields fights don't end with an exciting Ko like most of Tyson's

                    whether it be him or his oppenent.

                    I agree. Nice work Prorock.

                    And nice response by Boston Guy. Tyson was more exiciting. The thing is that both fighters peaked at different stages. One could definitely argue that Holyfield was technically better. But i'm still of the opinion that if TYSON and HOLYFIELD fought each other on their best days, Tyson would knock Holyfield out

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                    • holyfield was better .

                      tyson was excellent physically, but ****** mentally..
                      holyfield was above average physically, and excellent mentally

                      so you see evander had more balance in his game, where tyson had nothing upstairs ..likely because evander was raised correctly

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