Originally posted by tysonortiz
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Who was better?Tyson or Holyfield?
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Last edited by kapersky; 04-12-2005, 06:08 AM.
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It wasn't just Tyson that was fading, it was also the pressure that Holyfield put on Tyson. Tyson doesn't fight well on the back foot, and that is accactly what he was forced to do in the fight. I do not give Holyfield all the credit for beating him that night on the other hand; it was a combination of both.
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Originally posted by tysonortizIf they had fought b4 tyson went to jail it wouldve been a different story.
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the only thing that stopped Tyson retiring undefeated was himself, early on in his career he was superb,Tyson would have destroyed Holyfield, and im not saying that Holyfield wasn`t a good fighter, its just that Ali and Louis aside no one else would have lived with Tyson
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WTF does everyone keep brining that up for? Holyfeild lost to Ruiz omg! Ruiz is better than Holyfeild. They may have fought twice but Tyson was not with his famed coach and had spent 2 years in jail. And unlike b-hop it didnt help him get any discipline.
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just look at his career before and after rooney and also look at his training before and after rooney. mike when he was with rooney would knock (1996)mike out worse than holyfield, when holyfield stugger tyson with his righthand holyfield couldnt follow up with hard punches and we all know what a young mike would do when he stugger someone, old mike didnt had the movement and was open for punches.
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Holyfield is better
I really don't like this talk about "Tyson wasn't in his prime" when they fought. The truth is, he came out of jail a young man. During the first phase of his career, nobody was able to touch him, and no physical damage happened to him while he was in prison (unless you think he got beaten up lol). When he got out of prison, he was a young man who did not have any physical damage inflicted on him, there is no way he could have been past his prime. The problem is that for the most part he fought nobodies who were scared stiff of him. Razor Ruddock went the distance with a prime Mike Tyson, what happened when Razor Ruddock fought Lennox Lewis? When he blew away Peter McNeilly in the first round everyone was shouting "Iron Mike is back" but as soon as Holyfield beat him later on people started making excuses for him. Holyfield on the other hand, in the early part of his career was in absolute wars. By the time he fought Tyson, he had taken much more physical abuse and was four years older. Holyfield was farther past his prime than Tyson when they fought. As far as losing Rooney, Tyson has had legendary trainers to look after him every step of the way, that does not even come close to a good excuse.
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