Who is the greatest Mexican fighter of all time?

[jabsRstiff]

Yory Boy Campas was 56-0 with 50KOs when he stepped up and fought Trinidad. Thats a mighty impressive record but it doesn't mean he was great. Chavez might not even be top 5 as good as he was at 130 and 135. Salvadore Sanchez is top 2, his best wins annihilate Chavez's despite the short career. Mexico have had a lot of top fighters, Chavez sure as hell wasn't the best of all them.

Chavez dominated 130.....destroyed Rosario at 135....then went up to Jr. Welter & dominated there.

Sanchez's biggest fights were over a Jr. Feather (Gomez).....a defenseless slugger (Lopez)....& a FUTURE great, substitute 13-fight "veteran" - Azumah Nelson.


Salvador Sanchez had HALF the career that Chavez did.


Sanchez's early death has lead to him becoming one of the most overrated fighters in history.

Do any of you know how ordinary he looked in HALF of his defenses ?
If you didn't go to Sal, he struggled.
Please...see his fights with - Pat Ford, Ruben Olivares, Pat Cowdell, Rocky Garcia...for proof.

[Lefthookhappy19]

Ordinary? You are aware thats what Whitaker, the best fighter Chavez ever faced made him look and Taylor did for a long time. Sanchez greatness is beyond despute, Chavez doesn't come close to him. Quality over quantity, you know that surely? Rosario? Big hitter, good fighter, but still not a patch on Gomez. I don't hate Chavez, certainly not, but Sal was greater.

[jabsRstiff]

Sanchez never faced anyone close to the Whitaker & Taylor that Chavez faced...


Chavez was made to look less than perfect by two Lb4Lbers...
Sanchez was made to look ordinary, by ORDINARY fighters.

[Lefthookhappy19]

Chavez dominated 130.....destroyed Rosario at 135....then went up to Jr. Welter & dominated there.

Sanchez's biggest fights were over a Jr. Feather (Gomez).....a defenseless slugger (Lopez)....& a FUTURE great, substitute 13-fight "veteran" - Azumah Nelson.


Salvador Sanchez had HALF the career that Chavez did.


Sanchez's early death has lead to him becoming one of the most overrated fighters in history.

Do any of you know how ordinary he looked in HALF of his defenses ?
If you didn't go to Sal, he struggled.
Please...see his fights with - Pat Ford, Ruben Olivares, Pat Cowdell, Rocky Garcia...for proof.

Olivares? I wasn't aware that they fought.

Calling Lopez a defensless slugger is just ******, one of the biggest punchers in featherweight history with the biggest right hand. Defensless = Meldrick Taylor. What matters with Sanchez is that against the best he fought the best. You discredit Sanchez for fighting down to his opponents level and winning. Along with fighting brilliant and winning when it really mattered in the big fights against future all time greats.

Chavez beats up and looks good stopping lesser fighters but then losses when he actually fights a great and you give Chavez more credit? Thats some twisted logic. Pernell was not in great shape and above his best weight, you know this? Chavez is usually credited as being closer to his prime at 140 and he lost, some of his best wins where there.Is Meldrick Taylor a P4P'er? Yes maybe at the time but he always look vulnerable and took lots of shots. Gomez was a huge favourite over Sanchez and was expected to run him over. Chavez could be outboxed and made to look ordinary so please stop using that word and Sanchez in the same sentence.

[jabsRstiff]

Olivares? I wasn't aware that they fought.

Calling Lopez a defensless slugger is just ******, one of the biggest punchers in featherweight history with the biggest right hand. Defensless = Meldrick Taylor. What matters with Sanchez is that against the best he fought the best. You discredit Sanchez for fighting down to his opponents level and winning. Along with fighting brilliant and winning when it really mattered in the big fights against future all time greats.

Chavez beats up and looks good stopping lesser fighters but then losses when he actually fights a great and you give Chavez more credit? Thats some twisted logic. Pernell was not in great shape and above his best weight, you know this? Chavez is usually credited as being closer to his prime at 140 and he lost, some of his best wins where there.Is Meldrick Taylor a P4P'er? Yes maybe at the time but he always look vulnerable and took lots of shots. Gomez was a huge favourite over Sanchez and was expected to run him over. Chavez could be outboxed and made to look ordinary so please stop using that word and Sanchez in the same sentence.

I meant Ruben CASTILLO ! Sorry.

You need to not get so insulted. That's why Sanchez has become overrated.
Because of his death, it's as if he's above criticism.

I'm telling you, after the Gomez fight, he was looking kinda ordinary.


You don't know what you're talking about when you're speaking of Meldrick Taylor.
When he & Chavez fought, Mel was, at least, in everyone's top 5, lb4lb.
Do you know that he DEMOLISHED Buddy McGirt ? Well, he did, back when Buddy was a TWO-ARMED fighter, & fighting at his peak.
Taylor also mopped up John Wesly Meekins, a guy who was thought to be a future superstar.

Chavez RUINED Taylor....& the flaws you saw in Taylor, you saw AFTER their fight.
I'm sorry....Meldrick Taylor was a better fighter than the Lopez & Gomez that Sanchez beat.

Gomez was a 122lber with a history of slacking off in training.


Listen, bro.....I think Sanchez was a special, great fighter.
But, I saw both he & Chavez in their primes.....& Chavez was the better fighter. He also accomplished far more than did Sanchez.


The romanticizing of Sanchez has made him overrated, however.

[oldgringo]

I meant Ruben CASTILLO ! Sorry.

You need to not get so insulted. That's why Sanchez has become overrated.
Because of his death, it's as if he's above criticism.

I'm telling you, after the Gomez fight, he was looking kinda ordinary.


You don't know what you're talking about when you're speaking of Meldrick Taylor.
When he & Chavez fought, Mel was, at least, in everyone's top 5, lb4lb.
Do you know that he DEMOLISHED Buddy McGirt ? Well, he did, back when Buddy was a TWO-ARMED fighter, & fighting at his peak.
Taylor also mopped up John Wesly Meekins, a guy who was thought to be a future superstar.

Chavez RUINED Taylor....& the flaws you saw in Taylor, you saw AFTER their fight.
I'm sorry....Meldrick Taylor was a better fighter than the Lopez & Gomez that Sanchez beat.

Gomez was a 122lber with a history of slacking off in training.


Listen, bro.....I think Sanchez was a special, great fighter.
But, I saw both he & Chavez in their primes.....& Chavez was the better fighter. He also accomplished far more than did Sanchez.


The romanticizing of Sanchez has made him overrated, however.

Exactly. Sanchez may have had a great career had he not passed and he certainly was on the right road to accomplishing this. But to say that Chavez may not even be top 5 is insane. Their careers should not be compared. Chavez ruled his divisions with and iron fist until he ran into Whitaker...a top 8 all time P4P guy in my opinion. I agree that Meldrick was a better fighter than anyone Sanchez beat. He would have been the top dog had Chavez not been around. He had the fight beat out of him. Anything you see of him after their first fight is a shell of his former self.

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Chavez definitely the best fighter to have come out of Mexico.

IN HIS PRIME... Chavez was one of the most (if not the most) dominating fighters of all time. He looked Super Human even against top rated competition, thats something that neither Sanchez or Lopez were able to achieve.

When Chavez fought Whitaker he was both already on a decline, over his weight and his style and movement and conditioning (which had been what made chavez great), changed and deteriorated.

Sanchez and Lopez were both great though.

[borikua]

Oscar De La Hoya?

[Lefthookhappy19]

Not going to argue with fanatics, go search round the internet on various forums and you will almost exclusivly find that Sanchez is rated above Chavez by the majority. Also, Sanchez is top 3 if not number 1 on most all time feather lists. Chavez cannot really boast the same in his divisions. Lightwelters a relitively young division.

[Lefthookhappy19]

I meant Ruben CASTILLO ! Sorry.

You need to not get so insulted. That's why Sanchez has become overrated.
Because of his death, it's as if he's above criticism.

I'm telling you, after the Gomez fight, he was looking kinda ordinary.


You don't know what you're talking about when you're speaking of Meldrick Taylor.
When he & Chavez fought, Mel was, at least, in everyone's top 5, lb4lb.
Do you know that he DEMOLISHED Buddy McGirt ? Well, he did, back when Buddy was a TWO-ARMED fighter, & fighting at his peak.
Taylor also mopped up John Wesly Meekins, a guy who was thought to be a future superstar.

Chavez RUINED Taylor....& the flaws you saw in Taylor, you saw AFTER their fight.
I'm sorry....Meldrick Taylor was a better fighter than the Lopez & Gomez that Sanchez beat.

Gomez was a 122lber with a history of slacking off in training.


Listen, bro.....I think Sanchez was a special, great fighter.
But, I saw both he & Chavez in their primes.....& Chavez was the better fighter. He also accomplished far more than did Sanchez.


The romanticizing of Sanchez has made him overrated, however.

Taylor was not a better fighter than Gomez EVER. Taylor was talented but vulnerable. As was Donald Curry and Terry Norris, both could look incredible at times.

Still ingnoring the fact that Chavez never really beat a great fighter. Why are you putting so much emvisis (sp?) on his pretty record?