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  • #11
    lenard was a good fighter..but his fights were boring as hell

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    • #12
      Originally posted by No-Mas
      Sugar Ray Leonard is the worst thing boxing has ever produced.

      - when Hagler yelled to Leonard, "Fight like a man!" Leonard said "No, no, no" and was happy to continue to run. Leonard himself tells that story and he is sickly proud of it.

      - Leonard had an elaborate press conference at the Garden (with Hagler there) just to announce he will retire and not fight Hagler. Look at me, give me more and more attention, shine the spotlight on me, please mommy.

      - Leonard lost his biggest fight of his career - Duran I.

      - Leonard was very, very talented, but chose to win fights with silly flurries at the end of a round. Stealing the round they call it and moronic fans used to go crazy over it. Real fight fans used to spit at their TVs when Leonard pulled that crap.

      - Leonard rigged the Hagler fight to favor him. Whatever happened to fighting a guy in his prime in a standard sized ring for fifteen rounds, Ray? Is that too much for you?

      - Leonard was a girl in the ring, not a man
      Dude, I see some of your points as to why you are disgusted with Leonard especially when he does his shoe-shinin' bit in fights, but it's still not as bad as Roy Jones Jr's version of shoe-shinin', but not giving Leonard any credit for the Duran fight is very biased, I mean he slugged it out with Duran throughout the whole fight and Roberto is one of the best sluggers of all-time, and Roberto Duran is one of my favorite fighters, but that fight could've really gone either way.

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      • #13
        Ray Leonard was a female

        but not giving Leonard any credit for the Duran fight is very biased
        I will never give that little girl credit for anything other than I give him credit for introducing a feminine quality to winning in boxing. Ali danced around and floated like a butterfly, but at least he stung like a bee (just ask Big George Foreman). Leonard was a transexual (there are many of us who really believe he was born a girl and had a sex change) who flurried his way to victories.

        Ask yourself: are you going to teach your son to smash faces when he gets into fights with kids at school or are you going to teach him to flurry? Do you want your child to Ray Leonard someone who picks on them or put a Jack Dempsey beating on someone who picks on them?

        I have a really great fight library - hundreds of the greatest fights and samples of fights from the greatest fighters - and in that library I have not one, NOT ONE, Sugar Ray Leonard fight. In my mind he never existed.

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        • #14
          i think he was the most overated fighter in boxing history, and i think he lost the hagler fight.

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          • #15
            As a person, i don't particularly like Ray Leonard, though i don't despise him either. He always wanted things his way: this number of rounds, this ring size, and especially, this amount of money, which was usually considerable. However, you can't deny the man's skill, talent, and most of all, his resume.

            In the biggest fight of his career (Leonard-Hearns I), he was well behind on scorecards, but he ****** it up and went on to knockout Tommy. Some say it was premature (and i probably agree), but there was no denying that Hearns was done in that fight. Leonard deserves a lot of credit for that victory.

            Ray is usually known for his speed and flair, but his power and killer instinct are a bit underrated, imo. He's one of the top 7-8 greatest fighters to ever live.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by No-Mas
              I will never give that little girl credit for anything other than I give him credit for introducing a feminine quality to winning in boxing. Ali danced around and floated like a butterfly, but at least he stung like a bee (just ask Big George Foreman). Leonard was a transexual (there are many of us who really believe he was born a girl and had a sex change) who flurried his way to victories.

              Ask yourself: are you going to teach your son to smash faces when he gets into fights with kids at school or are you going to teach him to flurry? Do you want your child to Ray Leonard someone who picks on them or put a Jack Dempsey beating on someone who picks on them?

              I have a really great fight library - hundreds of the greatest fights and samples of fights from the greatest fighters - and in that library I have not one, NOT ONE, Sugar Ray Leonard fight. In my mind he never existed.
              So you don't have any SRL fights, how about Roy Jones Jr. fights?

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              • #17
                So you don't have any SRL fights, how about Roy Jones Jr. fights?
                I have his two recent loses and the one fight where he knocks out that guy Glenn Kelly out with both hands behind his back. Those two KO loses and the hands behind the back trick are how I will remember Jones and what I will show my future grandchildren.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by No-Mas
                  I have his two recent loses and the one fight where he knocks out that guy Glenn Kelly out with both hands behind his back. Those two KO loses and the hands behind the back trick are how I will remember Jones and what I will show my future grandchildren.
                  You will be cheating them out of seeing many of the amazing things that RJJ accomplished.

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                  • #19
                    the amazing things that RJJ accomplished.
                    Oldgringo, I agree with you. I'm glad I lived through the Roy Jones reign and saw his amazing talent. Unfortunately, the guy was so good he really wasn't involved in any great fights. His greatest accomplishment - the heavyweight win - is no candidate for fight of the century and not up to the standards of my fight collection.
                    The guy was beyond great, but that doesn't mean he was in great fights.

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                    • #20
                      the glen kelly shot was pure talent and fast handspeed, ehh I don't really like Leonard I'm more of a haggler and hearns person, but he was a superior showman and alround great boxer.

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