Jack Dempsey

[KostyaTszyu44]

dempsey was a great fighter

but yeah he wouldnt beat ali, frazier, foreman, lewis, holyfield IMO

he is definitely a top ten heavy of all time

[marciano1952]

dempsey was a great fighter

but yeah he wouldnt beat ali, frazier, foreman, lewis, holyfield IMO

he is definitely a top ten heavy of all time

he wouldd beat frazier IMO

frazier starts Way to Slaw and is Way to Vaulnerable in the early reounds and Dempseys Speed and Power combination would have Frazier in massive trouble

[marciano1952]

Nobody can doubt someones perception of Dempsey as an all-time great heavyweight, but he was not THE greatest.

If there was no colour line, i'm not so sure Dempsey would have ever been a champion at Heavyweight. He admittedly ducked Wills, and with the likes of Langford, Jeanette and Mcvey around, he would have struggled for a title win if the black men had shots at the title..

like mentioned he had signed to fight Wills

and Langford, Jeanette, and Mcvey were all way past it man I mean Come on do wish that had been Killed in the ring by Dempsey?

[Viktor777]

Dempsey never ducked anyone. When he lost to Gene Tunney he was a shadow of what he once was. Dempsey would of destroyed Lennox Louis. I can see it happening easily. People were accusing him of plastering his gloves! Thats how hard he hit, he would open up on Louis's body and within round 4-5 Lennox would be done.

[Brockton Lip]

Dempsey was extremely powerful with underrated skill. He was beatable but I'd only pick a select few in history to do it, and even then Dempsey still has a puncher's chance at the least.

On another note, to help clarify things, here is what Dempsey himself had stated:

"The Hell I feared no man. There was one man, he was even smaller than I, and I wouldn’t fight because I knew he would flatten me. I was afraid of Sam Langford.”

[BattlingNelson]

Dempsey never ducked anyone. When he lost to Gene Tunney he was a shadow of what he once was. Dempsey would of destroyed Lennox Louis. I can see it happening easily. People were accusing him of plastering his gloves! Thats how hard he hit, he would open up on Louis's body and within round 4-5 Lennox would be done.

Not true.

Like every other white champion in that time period, he ducked all the black fighters. I'm not dissing Dempsey, but that's the way it was.

[Ryn0]

Not true.

Like every other white champion in that time period, he ducked all the black fighters. I'm not dissing Dempsey, but that's the way it was.

He didn't duck them, it was hard to set up a fight with Black fighters being that Johnson was such a hated figure the people that "owned" Dempsey didn't want to lose there fighter to a black champ. It's not Dempseys fault. He signed to fight Wills twice his Handlers wouldn't let him carry the deal through.

[Viktor777]

He didn't duck them, it was hard to set up a fight with Black fighters being that Johnson was such a hated figure the people that "owned" Dempsey didn't want to lose there fighter to a black champ. It's not Dempseys fault. He signed to fight Wills twice his Handlers wouldn't let him carry the deal through.

^^^ What he said.

[Thread Stealer]

Not true.

Like every other white champion in that time period, he ducked all the black fighters. I'm not dissing Dempsey, but that's the way it was.

I've read quotes where Dempsey said he'd "pay no attention to colored fighters", but he must've had a change of heart since he signed to fight Wills later on before Tex Rickard cancelled it. Wills still got $50,000, so it wasn't all bad for him.

I wouldn't rank Dempsey over some of the great non-HWs of that era, and maybe not Wills himself.

Wills's resume was terrific and did the heavy lifting and fighting the tough contenders countless times while Dempsey was champ.

[Bendigo]

Dempsey never ducked anyone. When he lost to Gene Tunney he was a shadow of what he once was. Dempsey would of destroyed Lennox Louis. I can see it happening easily. People were accusing him of plastering his gloves! Thats how hard he hit, he would open up on Louis's body and within round 4-5 Lennox would be done.

Unless their skin happened to be a little dark...