Hagler vs Leonard 1981

[The Noose]

I watched Hagler - Objelmas (u know the guy) and was suprised how fast and accurate Hagler was.

Im actually now thinking a fight between Hagler and Leonard would be amazing. Haglers pressure was incredible, eventhough Leonard was a great fast mover.

I think it was be close.

[LondonRingRules]

First off to the most un intelligent boxingscene poster I have ever came across, the same guy that says Tyson beat better fighters than ali London Rules, man you really need to learn your boxing.

** My dearest Mr. pink, I must say I feel so honored to be placed on the same level as the great Roberto Duran.

I never addressed you, yet, as with Roberto Duran, you only need see my name to come flapping into the flame of your own ineptitude.

You are welcome to provide a link to any quote attributed to me saying Tyson beat better fighters than Ali. You seem to lack a certain mental acuity to properly comprehend basic English, probably because of your tendency to overemote which shortcircuits proper reasoning. Me thinks, like dyslexics are prone, you reversed the order of what you read and came out with a new orginal meaning that only makes sense to you.

I never "target ray for not fighting hagler in 81" anymore than I question his competition from 79-80. These are phantoms figments of your mind my dear chap, stuff you make up and attribute to me to assist you win some kind of phantom argument you wish to make up.

I proposed Leonard's first 3 fights as the only viable time for Hagler to fight Leonard in 81, sticking the the thread originator's guidelines. Most assuredly Hagler was part of a smorgasbord of fighters of fighters proposed for Ray to fight. Ray was captain of his ship at the start of 81. No fighter had ever made as much money so early in their careers, had more network clout, better management and trainers, or more negotiation clout to that point.

Ray chose the other fighters that he fought, and passed on the dozen or so other offers, one of which was Hagler. No biggie until you get your schoolgirl emotions caught on a rollercoaster of nonsense.

Finally, as far as me needing to learn boxing, hey, more than willing to step into the ring and let you have a go at teaching me grasshoppa, so cheerio for now, and say hello to the Spinks clan for me.

Saw Michael at a title fight recently, and he looks pretty sharp these days. Big fan of his.

[wpink1]

London,,First off you really would not want to step in a ring, or the streets with me...so keep the internet tough talking to a minimum. As for the thread....I love proving people inaccurate or wrong.

" Leonard had a slew of options back then and turned this fight down.

That should give you your answer, especially on top of the way Ray went to great subsequent lengths to selectively pick his opponents and conditions".

That is what you said. I think most people would assume that your trying to degrade his list of opponents, which i factually destroyed your false statment. Thus you had to completley backtrack.

His finest year of a pro, he beats Larry?Bonds, Ayube Kalule, and sc****s out a win over Hearns by the skin of his teeth, which is really the fight that secures his legend. Somehow the year doesn't stand out to me compared to other great years of great fighters, but certainly the Hearns fight is an alltime classic

Another slam about him which any reasonable person...any intellignent person gets your point, which your trying to back track now. His Finest year...Meaning 1981 was the best he had to offer,,,,You say this with out pointing out that from 1979-1981 he fought the best list of opponents ever in history..3 top all time fighters..and the undefeated Jr middleweight champion all in their primes. Combined record 249-2-1, 99% record. No you try to minimize his success's by saying he only barely won vs Hearns in 1981. Hmmmm didnt he damm near stop hearns in rounds 6 & 7, 13 and then STOP him in the 14th round. Barely by the skin of his teeth. Hmmm very misleading.. Sounding like McCain.

Did you mention that Hagler Leonard fight was clealry the fight after he beat Hearns, not before. What you left out when talking about Bonds and kalule, and is that leonard was the WBC champ, and Hearns was the WBA undefeated ko artist champion 32-0 with 30 kos...who had been clamoring for a fight for over a year. No you try to point out that Leonard avoided Hagler to Unify the Welterweight title. Wow. Unify the Welterweight Title. Hmmm didnt Hagler unify the Middleweight title. Did Hagler ever move up to accept the challenge vs Saad Muhammad. Hmmmm.

Did you mention that Leonard after beating hearns, had only one fight then was out due to Retinal Injury that was considered career ending in 1981, and for those that doubt how serious this is, look at Aaron Pryor, Sugar Ray Seales, and Greb and others. No, you try to paint a completley inaccurate picture.

Did you point out that he did Fight Hagler in 87. Maybe Hagler was 5-6 years older at the age of 32, but hmmm didnt Leoanrd age to. Wasnt Leonard inactive. Did you point out leonard moved up to face him with out any tune up. Hmmm No. Again no factiual points.

As for you issues about Ali vs tyson...Hmmm maybe you need to reread the thread The Myth of Mike Tyson on here. Also, others. You clearly slammed Ali's list of compeition on several debates and tried to point out Tyson challengers where better. Do you have amnesia, we had a long debate about this....and I since realized exactly what I am dealing with.

LondonRulesRing....please learn boxing. Anyone who reads your post recognizes you slammed Leonards resume and after I pointed out how ****** that was, now your backtracking.....Learn Boxing.

Ohh I also challenged you my friend to name another Figher who has beat better fighters in their entire career, and also fought over a 2 year period better fgihters and beat them.

Till then, I dont think you have room to slam Leoanrd in 81 or ever for that point.

[LondonRingRules]

Another slam about him which any reasonable person...any intellignent person gets your point, which your trying to back track now. His Finest year...Meaning 1981 was the best he had to offer,,,,You say this with out pointing out that from 1979-1981 he fought the best list of opponents ever in history..3 top all time fighters..and the undefeated Jr middleweight champion all in their primes.

** My sweetie, perhaps it would be helpful if you could get assistance from someone to read the original thread that I responded to.

He was the one proposing 81 as Ray's finest year, not me. I broke it down in segments and mentioned that other than the Hearns and Kalule, it was pretty non eventful. Many greats have had better years, not that it was a bad year for Ray except for the eye damage Hearns started that led to him becoming a part time legacy hunting fighter.

Look, you must have the attention span of a gnat not to be able to follow a fairly straight forward, simple thread. You keep going off on tangents like previous years, McCain, and maybe BigFoot and Timbuktu in your next post.

It's a fact that Leonard chose not to fight Hagler in 81, and went to great lengths to yank him and the media around in 82 while still not fighting him. Read into it what you want, but you need to find some schoolgirl peers that understand your emotions, not me.

I'm only here infrequently to talk about boxing and check out any video leads that might interest me.

[wpink1]

** My sweetie, perhaps it would be helpful if you could get assistance from someone to read the original thread that I responded to.

He was the one proposing 81 as Ray's finest year, not me. I broke it down in segments and mentioned that other than the Hearns and Kalule, it was pretty non eventful. Many greats have had better years, not that it was a bad year for Ray except for the eye damage Hearns started that led to him becoming a part time legacy hunting fighter.

Look, you must have the attention span of a gnat not to be able to follow a fairly straight forward, simple thread. You keep going off on tangents like previous years, McCain, and maybe BigFoot and Timbuktu in your next post.

It's a fact that Leonard chose not to fight Hagler in 81, and went to great lengths to yank him and the media around in 82 while still not fighting him. Read into it what you want, but you need to find some schoolgirl peers that understand your emotions, not me.

I'm only here infrequently to talk about boxing and check out any video leads that might interest me.

Its clear your upset cuz i clearly pointed out how false your original post was. Yes everyone on here knows that the question was leoanrd vs hagler in 81. However, you weakly and thoughtlessly point out baseless and thoughtless point, Loenard chose not to fight Hagler in 81. Hmmm Again you didnt read my post, or use logic before stating this.

I clealry pointed out to you, that Ray from 1979-81 fought the toughest stretch in History. Here is your whining.."He fought hearns, Kalule and Bonds instead of hagler". How weak. Again you ignore intelligence. So Leonard was supposed to fight Hagler instead of unifying the welterweight Title. Hmmmm Is that not what every fighter should do to claim they where the best at their weight class. You point out Bonds and Kalule...Weren't these fights prior to Hearns. Wasnt the Hearns fight in sept of 81. Wow my man you have high expectations...Leoanrd not only fought duran (twice) benitez and Heanrs in a two year period and kalule, but he should have also fought Hagler a middleweight, not could have... but should have. Wow.

Lets see. When was the last time a fighter was considered ducking a fighter two weight classes above him. Hmmm I guess Hopkins was ducking Mayweather since they never fought. Hmmm. Also did Hagler ever move up and fight anyone. Was not he called out by Saad Muhammed. Hmmm

I dont recall anyone else saying 81 was leonard finest year, besides your post, I may be wrong, but I recall a simply fantasty match up, then you get on here as usual with your completely faulty posting, and said in Leonards best year..(do I need to quote you) etc..etc..etc.. Now your backing off of this. I would too if i learned the facts as you did earlier.

Also, funny you dont want to continue to debate how you supposedly never said Tyson had a tougher resume than Ali, since I should you the thread (1 of them) that you jumped on with unintelligent rambling about how tyson was beating this great foe and that great foe...Hmmm what great foe did Tyson ever beat. He was great, but had never faced the Foremans, Fraziers, Listons..etc..

[titoi]

One of the top 3 middleweights of all time in his prime against a welter who'd been manhandled by a lightweight (admittedly also among the best of all time)? This is a tough one. I'm going to pick the natural middleweight. In 1981, if Leonard comes to fight, Hagler breaks him down and knocks him out. If he runs, Hagler still gets a UD. As has been pointed out above, this fight could have been made, but the wily Leonard only became interested in fighting Hagler after he had lost the fire inside.

[wpink1]

One of the top 3 middleweights of all time in his prime against a welter who'd been manhandled by a lightweight (admittedly also among the best of all time)? This is a tough one. I'm going to pick the natural middleweight. In 1981, if Leonard comes to fight, Hagler breaks him down and knocks him out. If he runs, Hagler still gets a UD. As has been pointed out above, this fight could have been made, but the wily Leonard only became interested in fighting Hagler after he had lost the fire inside.

Yes this fight could have occured. Leonard could have risked his eye sight based on the best information and treatments of that day and fight Hagler.

Also when was leoanrd mandhandled by Duran. The fight i saw was decided by 1 round difference. Funny how people get on here with FALSE statments. I think you may get manhandled and fighting with the wrong strategy, intentiionally with his back on the ropes, mixed up......

[pedro1098]

for me hagler hit his peak in 85,the night hearns got kod..i have a strong view that on "that night" no fighter ever could have beat him. in 81 both hagler & srl were not at thier peaks so at 160lb in 1981 hagler would get my nod.. srl was very wise to fight marvin when he did,marvins last fight before the superfight was evedent of how much hagler had lost his speed etc.