In his prime Mike Tyson could have knocked out Joe Frazier

[elgaringo]

Tough call. It is my opinion that Tyson defense, speed, power and tenacity either stops frazier early, or hurts him and has the fight his way for the 1st 4-5 rounds. Then if frazier survives, he will start making a chopping block of Tyson.

However if Ali had Frazeir in trouble, you can best believe the power the speed the tenacity that Tyson is going to bring to table would cause Frazier major problems.

yeh tyson was the best at finishin an apponent when he was hurt so in my view he would have finished fraizer off quite early. Fraizer just didnt have the chin against big punchers and good finishers. Id even go as far to say he was a better finisher than forman cos he had more variety

[Feint]

Very similar boxers in many ways...but the one thing people overlook is that a prime Tyson was incredibly quick and accurate. I think this is what gives him the advantage.

In three fights I think Tyson would win two of them.

[sjomcik]

In his prime Mike Tyson could have knocked out everobody

[peewee1460]

a prime mike tyson would probably have hard time with a prime george foreman if foreman had been trained during the same era

[CounterPuncher]

In his prime Tyson could kill anyone.

Except he didn't and Tyson didn't beat any truely great boxers in his whole career.

[samtheassasin]

Tyson would win but he'd make a meal out of it

IMO Frazier wasn't that great a boxer

Tyson would win by late stopage

For me Tyson's reach was his main weakness. I watched the Tyson-Douglass fight and I think Buster's reach was 11 inches more than Tyson's.

[duffgun]

Tyson would win but he'd make a meal out of it

IMO Frazier wasn't that great a boxer

Tyson would win by late stopage

For me Tyson's reach was his main weakness. I watched the Tyson-Douglass fight and I think Buster's reach was 11 inches more than Tyson's.

How many Frazier fights have you seen? his fight with Ali was probably the last fight of a prime Frazier watch some of his early fights.
I think it depends on several factors first is can Frazier take the early pressure if he can get out the first 3 rounds i would give him a good chance. Frazier would also need to push Tyson back onto the ropes, Frazier was a much better inside fighter than Tyson, Tyson was very good at mid range but if Frazier gets in close and roughs him up he could break down Tyson mentally. Remember Frazier butted a lot.
I would go for a Tyson early KO or a Frazier late KO but who knows.

[micky_knox]

If Tyson dint win early Fraizer would win late

[GTTofAK]

Tyson’s prime? Tyson never had a prime. People say he was past his prime when he fought Holyfield. Bull****. He was 30. That is supposed to be a boxer’s prime. The Tyson people think of as Tyson in his prime is just a young kid with more potential than any fighter we have ever seen and probably will ever see. But that is not a prime Tyson. Tyson was never the kind of fighter we see in their prime of 28-32. By then both is skills and physical ability had diminished greatly.

Now onto Frazier. First, I’m tired of people saying Frazier had a week chin. Frazier was knocked out by Foreman and only Foreman. He could take a tremendous amount of punishment in a fight. I don’t know where this week chin idea comes from. The young Tyson (I will refrain from using the word prime as that never existed) also had a very good chin.

Their styles were a lot more similar than people are giving them credit for here. I guess you have to be a southpaw to appreciate it. Tyson and Frazier were both converted lefties. As short(both were 5’11”) powerful swarmer/slugger lefties both adopted a conventional stance. I’m a southpaw and I appreciate this style because it allows us lefties to get in close without having to worry about that ****ing lead right. I will often switch to conventional to get in close against a taller fighter. Once inside the two would let loose with devastating short punches. Watch Tyson’s knockdown of Jesse Ferguson some time. He got in close switched to southpaw and let loose with his trade mark right hook to the body right uppercut combo and broke Fergusons nose. It isn’t the only time he did that either. Watch young Tyson fights that combo was his trademark and more often than not he threw it from a southpaw stance.

The two main things that separates the two fighters was their defense and their rights. Frazier used the bob and weave while the young Tyson use the peek-a-boo defense. Both are geared for shorter fighters against taller fighters but I would have to say that Frazier’s bob and weave would be more effective against Tyson than Tyson’s peek-a-boo against Frazier. I see Tyson missing and getting countered a lot. But in the end I think the fight would come down to their right hands. Frazier didn’t have a very powerful right. Like most converted lefties his right wasn’t anything to write home about. Tyson on the other hand had a devastating right hand. He was the first converted lefty to really have such a powerful right.

In the end I see this fight going to a young Tyson but only slightly. I think that in the long run Tyson’s right hand would give him the edge over Frazier who like most all converted lefties was a one hand fighter. But that is not to say that out of Frazier bob and weave the opportunity could arise for Frazier to drop Tyson with one quick left hook after a Tyson miss.

[Boogie Nights]

Tyson’s prime? Tyson never had a prime. People say he was past his prime when he fought Holyfield. Bull****. He was 30. That is supposed to be a boxer’s prime. The Tyson people think of as Tyson in his prime is just a young kid with more potential than any fighter we have ever seen and probably will ever see. But that is not a prime Tyson. Tyson was never the kind of fighter we see in their prime of 28-32. By then both is skills and physical ability had diminished greatly.

Now onto Frazier. First, I’m tired of people saying Frazier had a week chin. Frazier was knocked out by Foreman and only Foreman. He could take a tremendous amount of punishment in a fight. I don’t know where this week chin idea comes from. The young Tyson (I will refrain from using the word prime as that never existed) also had a very good chin.

Their styles were a lot more similar than people are giving them credit for here. I guess you have to be a southpaw to appreciate it. Tyson and Frazier were both converted lefties. As short(both were 5’11”) powerful swarmer/slugger lefties both adopted a conventional stance. I’m a southpaw and I appreciate this style because it allows us lefties to get in close without having to worry about that ****ing lead right. I will often switch to conventional to get in close against a taller fighter. Once inside the two would let loose with devastating short punches. Watch Tyson’s knockdown of Jesse Ferguson some time. He got in close switched to southpaw and let loose with his trade mark right hook to the body right uppercut combo and broke Fergusons nose. It isn’t the only time he did that either. Watch young Tyson fights that combo was his trademark and more often than not he threw it from a southpaw stance.

The two main things that separates the two fighters was their defense and their rights. Frazier used the bob and weave while the young Tyson use the peek-a-boo defense. Both are geared for shorter fighters against taller fighters but I would have to say that Frazier’s bob and weave would be more effective against Tyson than Tyson’s peek-a-boo against Frazier. I see Tyson missing and getting countered a lot. But in the end I think the fight would come down to their right hands. Frazier didn’t have a very powerful right. Like most converted lefties his right wasn’t anything to write home about. Tyson on the other hand had a devastating right hand. He was the first converted lefty to really have such a powerful right.

In the end I see this fight going to a young Tyson but only slightly. I think that in the long run Tyson’s right hand would give him the edge over Frazier who like most all converted lefties was a one hand fighter. But that is not to say that out of Frazier bob and weave the opportunity could arise for Frazier to drop Tyson with one quick left hook after a Tyson miss.

you have to understand that all fighters age and enter their primes diffferently. there's no specific age when you decide to peak, only your body and the maturity level decide that for you.

still a teeneager mike was a very developed fighter.....lets leave it at that. and tyson's size and style of fighting was not meant to last him into his 30s. in fact the majority of offensive fighters burn out by the time they hit their 30s. mike's prison time didnt help either. in his 20s i would say mike had already peaked, and was at his best.

when he got older, or came out of prison (whichever you want to use) he was a different fighter. even teddy atlas, the man who hates him with all his heart, admits that mike was not the same fighter. the jab was no longer there, the uppercut was no longer there, no bodywork, just one punch at a time and headhunting. to study mike's old fights, and fights where he was 'past his prime' you can see a big difference

also tyson was not a converted southpaw. he's a naturally a right hander, i heard people say that bs before about him being a leftie, that's made up and there are no facts to support it. all his amateur fights, and pro fights mike fough right handed. he used to turn southpaw early in his fights, but only for seconds, and only in a few fights as means to confuse his opponents he was never a converted southpaw

frazier may have been dropped and knocked out by one of the hardest punchers in the history of boxing, but his chin was shaky nevertheless. i wouldnt call it horrible but no where near the chin that tyson had. frazier was also down twice against oscar bonavena, and rocked badly by quarry and ali.