Questions regarding Roberto Durán...

[OptimusWolf]

Regardless of whether a 'boxing' leonard beats Duran or not, conjecture of this sort is silly when fighters have actually fought. Duran beat leonard is their first match fairly and squarely. If leonard can't get his tactics right that is his problem.

[kayjay]

Regardless of whether a 'boxing' leonard beats Duran or not, conjecture of this sort is silly when fighters have actually fought. Duran beat leonard is their first match fairly and squarely. If leonard can't get his tactics right that is his problem.

Hatton would've beaten Floyd if didn't stop moving his head. Judah would've beaten Tzsyu if he stayed focus. Foreman would've beaten Ali if he were patient. Hopkins would've beaten Joe if he had a pair of balls.

You can claim moral victories for whomever you like in this manner.

[wpink1]

Regardless of whether a 'boxing' leonard beats Duran or not, conjecture of this sort is silly when fighters have actually fought. Duran beat leonard is their first match fairly and squarely. If leonard can't get his tactics right that is his problem.

Hmmm funny and uneducated response as well as unknowledgable of their trilogy....In lamens terms and to answer you, they did fight and what yoiu left out of your partial statment is that Leonard DID, get his tactics right, so much so Duran quit, and the 3rd fight which is pretty irrelevant, he won almost every round.

Some of you read through a entire posting and pick out something, but clealry have no idea what your talking about. Who on here has said Duran is not a top fighter? I am merely have an opinion as you all do, the differnece is that I continue to support my positon with facts (example Duran quality of fights at lightweight, his record vs top tier fighters, )

[ScarletBoxer]

Yeah sorry bout the way I worded it. I did know he boxed into the 2000's but I wanted to say at one level of competition and obviously fighting at Supermiddleweight for his last few fights lol.
Can any one tell me how respected the NBA Title is recognised??? Is it like the WBO and such crap?
Anyhow the book im reading doesnt give any stats on Duran such as height and stuff so does anyone have an idea. Im off to look for Durans supermiddleweight fights on youtube now!!!

[kayjay]

Hmmm funny and uneducated response as well as unknowledgable of their trilogy....In lamens terms and to answer you, they did fight and what yoiu left out of your partial statment is that Leonard DID, get his tactics right, so much so Duran quit, and the 3rd fight which is pretty irrelevant, he won almost every round.

Some of you read through a entire posting and pick out something, but clealry have no idea what your talking about. Who on here has said Duran is not a top fighter? I am merely have an opinion as you all do, the differnece is that I continue to support my positon with facts (example Duran quality of fights at lightweight, his record vs top tier fighters, )

But you qualify the greatest win of a man's career in terms of his opponents mistakes. That's where you're going wrong and being disrespectful. It's never all about one guy. In the first fight Duran unmanned Leonard.

Someone could reply that in the second fight he was in poor condition. But that would be disrespectful to Leonard, who won the fight. You understand, son?

[wpink1]

I dont take from his win, read the entire post, son? I said Leonard fought the wrong style and thus Duran beat him fair and square at that. In fact I went on to say that Leonard fought most of his big fights in a toe to toe manner, so while it was the wrong style, Duran beat him fair and square and moved up to do so.....I never take away from that. Is wrong to merely point out that Leonard willingly fought this style and when he righted his wrong, that he beat duran. Is that wrong? Duran followers dont want to hear the truth. They say it was because duran was out of shape, which is false. I also point out that in the 1st fight in the 3 rounds that Leonard "boxed" duran he was unable to hit leonard, and Leonard won those rounds...check for yourself rounds 5-7. It was Ray' style, ego, and belief that he could be Duran man0 vs mano that led to him going back in round 8 through round 15 to the style that he got his ass handed to him by in the 1st 4 rounds....

I merely point out the facts....

[StarshipTrooper]

But you qualify the greatest win of a man's career in terms of his opponents mistakes. That's where you're going wrong and being disrespectful. It's never all about one guy. In the first fight Duran unmanned Leonard.

Someone could reply that in the second fight he was in poor condition. But that would be disrespectful to Leonard, who won the fight. You understand, son?

Hey KayJay! I think also that Duran gave one of those outstanding performances in the first Leonard fight that people talk about decades later. It was simply the kind of performances where Duran would have been very hard to beat that night no matter which all-time great he fought. It was simply a classic effort on the part of Duran. Think of Frazier's performance in the first fight with Ali, Robinson against Graziano, Hagler against Hearns. THAT type of effort.

Poet

[TintaBoricua]

Holy crap! Thanks a lot, guys! I appreciate all the insight!

I've been obsessing over boxing for the last year and have read A LOT (I can't stress that enough!) of boxing.

I saw the interview (referring to the first poster to respond) in which Leonard said about Durán the following:

"Every time he hit me, and I'm not exaggerating, it felt like bricks."

I hadn't heard about Quarry commenting on being scared of fighting Durán, though. LOL Great info!

Thanks, this is all great stuff!

[StarshipTrooper]

Holy crap! Thanks a lot, guys! I appreciate all the insight!

I've been obsessing over boxing for the last year and have read A LOT (I can't stress that enough!) of boxing.

I saw the interview (referring to the first poster to respond) in which Leonard said about Durán the following:

"Every time he hit me, and I'm not exaggerating, it felt like bricks."

I hadn't heard about Quarry commenting on being scared of fighting Durán, though. LOL Great info!

Thanks, this is all great stuff!

Now you should go over to the video sharing thread and start downloading fights! There are hundreds there and it gives you a chance to see the all-time greats in action

Poet

[QueensburyRules]

Duran actually fought in 5 different decades, his last fight was in 2001 against Hector Camacho at age 50.

The 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, 1990's and 2000's, that is impressive.

- - Yup, TheGreatA knows.

Pinky ignoring Duran was beating Ray pillar to post until he took off the last 2 rounds to clown him which was a tactical mistake that could've cost him the fight.